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Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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Post by mvdtnz »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #72
Lammy wrote: post #37

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> I do admire that they dared to do something different and took a big gamble on it. So many vehicles, especially in the truck space, are almost indistinguishable and lack any kind of imagination. I 1000% agree with this, in fact I love the way it looks, like something out of a SEGA Saturn game. But I would never buy one for the same reasons I would never buy any Tesla, or in fact any EV, or any post-2014 car at all.…

Let me get this straight. You bought a "statement car" but not for its statement, and then you assume that other people driving a different "statement car" bought it because of the statement?

> then you assume that other people driving a different "statement car" bought it because of the statement?

He assumed that people who drive a statement car emblazoned with a big sticker that says "HERE'S THE STATEMENT I INTENDED TO MAKE" bought it because of the statement. I think that's a reasonable assumption.

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Post by evan_ »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #379
array_key_first wrote: post #175

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I don't think that market is a niche at all. From what I can tell, most pickup owners don't use them as a pickup. They use them as a more masculine pavement SUV. So, you'd think, the F150 L and Cyber truck would be perfect.

If you just use it as a pick up a few times a year, it could be worth it. I have furniture that I want to get rid of, and if I had a pick up I would have done it already.

you can just rent a u-haul for $35 or whatever the four times a year you need it

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Post by loeg »

fullstop wrote: post #549
loeg wrote: post #538

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I'd be interested to hear which model, because that's pretty remarkable.

Equinox EV. Now that the tax credits have expired it is a different story. The 2025 gas version's MSRP was about 30k, and the electric one was about 35k with a $7500 tax credit.

Ok, thanks. Current 2026 base trim prices are 29k for the ICE and 35k for the EV. If you told me GM was eating thinner unit margins on the EV version, I wouldn't be shocked either.

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Post by potato3732842 »

robbru wrote: post #521
mrexroad wrote: post #485

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Bingo. Sprinter vans, utility vans, or even minivans are far, far more useful for trades than modern pickups. Heck, my minivan was the goat for home renovations—it’d easily fit a dozen full 4x8 sheets of drywall/osb/ply/mdf/etc and I could still close the rear gate. I always got chuckles from guys awkwardly wrangling/securing sheets onto a pickup’s bed at the supply yard when I’d easily slide the sheets off the cart…

Sprinters vans are the GOAT. My wife drives a 2009 Ford Ranger, love that damn truck. When it goes, the Sprinter it is.

The sprinter is massively over-hyped by people who've never owned one.

Yeah, everything about it is generally "solid" and well done but at it's roots it's a very german car. The longblock will theoretically go a million miles but realistically you're gonna replace every part around it several times over to get it there. I'm sure they're fine when new but as they age it's basically the same "replacing way too much BS because while nice it's over engineered" as the rest of german car ownership. Like c'mon man, an asian or american car would "just" require simpler less invasive things and generally be less of a headahce in old age.

Source: semi responsible for keeping one running

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Post by BizarroLand »

saalweachter wrote: post #526
mrexroad wrote: post #485

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Bingo. Sprinter vans, utility vans, or even minivans are far, far more useful for trades than modern pickups. Heck, my minivan was the goat for home renovations—it’d easily fit a dozen full 4x8 sheets of drywall/osb/ply/mdf/etc and I could still close the rear gate. I always got chuckles from guys awkwardly wrangling/securing sheets onto a pickup’s bed at the supply yard when I’d easily slide the sheets off the cart…

You can buy a hitch for any vehicle and a brand new 8 foot trailer for For the "I need to sometimes pick up large objects" use case it's hard to beat.

I have 3 vehicles, an old project jeep, an old truck, and a sedan.

Sedan handles 99% of my driving, but can't really tow anything. Truck handles all of my towing stuff, but gets ~14mpg which hurts so I don't drive it.

Jeep is a jeep, it's always being worked on, but when I use it I'm using it to go ride around on dirt paths or for camping. It gets 17-20mpg when I'm driving it but I don't want to drive it often.

If the jeep was a 2000's series jeep I would totally just get a small trailer for the occasional towing things that I do with the pickup and downsize to 2 vehicles. I know I could rent a uhaul from time to time for about what I pay for insuring and titling the truck, but the $100 annual difference is worth it for the convenience of not having to deal with uhaul 4 times a year.

But I said all of that to say, that a hitch isn't a perfect solution for everyone. I would feel very uncomfortable towing an empty 4x6 trailer behind my sedan, not to even mention the occasional couch or dresser or bunch of boxes from helping a friend move.

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Post by JPKab »

autoexec wrote: post #216
Lammy wrote: post #37

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> I do admire that they dared to do something different and took a big gamble on it. So many vehicles, especially in the truck space, are almost indistinguishable and lack any kind of imagination. I 1000% agree with this, in fact I love the way it looks, like something out of a SEGA Saturn game. But I would never buy one for the same reasons I would never buy any Tesla, or in fact any EV, or any post-2014 car at all.…

> Wahhh I bought my car to make a statement and now it makes the wrong statement and I am self-conscious about it!!”. I I read it exactly the opposite. Somebody bought a car not because they were making a statement but just because they thought it was cool, only to find out later Elon was a nazi nutjob, and they don't want people to think they bought it because they share the same views.

You're labeling someone a "Nazi nut job" over nothing.

It's juvenile and silly and screams "midwit overly absorbed into political news."

Enjoy your unearned moral superiority. It's a thin blanket against the cold wind of mediocrity, but you do you.

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Post by simondotau »

olyjohn wrote: post #238
jandrese wrote: post #92

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It would be amazing in the city if it weren't two lanes wide.

Its not amazing in the city. The turning radius on the cybertruck is atrocious. Go look it up and quit believing the marketing bullshit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjIPEtegPt4&t=2780s

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Post by alexjplant »

queuebert wrote: post #480
alexjplant wrote: post #183

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> A pickup truck should just be max utility, especially if you're a manufacturer making your first one The modern US pickup truck isn't built for utility. It's a $60,000 four-door lifted luxobarge with leather interior and a short bed. It signals (perceived) wealth while preserving working-class alignment. It can also be justified by way of having to pick up used furniture for TikTok refinish and flip projects or bim…

You're out of touch with the working class. Some people practically live in these trucks. A little comfort goes a long way toward making their day bearable. Leather is easy to clean, power adjustment makes the seat more comfortable. Auto wipers, climate, etc., help them focus on the calls they're taking. And so on. Fleets of these are bought for commercial purposes as well. Companies wouldn't spend that kind of money…

Those aren't the people I'm talking about in my post and they aren't the primary buyers of the vehicles I'm describing.

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Post by evan_ »

rootusrootus wrote: post #459
Facemelters wrote: post #68

Have you met truck guys? Truck guys call you gay for driving an EV. Yes yes, not all truck guys.

Do you know how pickups became the most popular vehicle in America? By not being appealing to just one type of guy. There is no "truck guy", there is "everyone." (well, yes, there are some anti-truck people, but they're niche and mostly online).

SUVs are the most popular body type in America, not pickups.

Pickups always top the "best selling model" list, but there are only a couple models of pickup and dozens of models of SUV. If you total up all the SUVs, they sell much better than pickups.

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