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Re: Cowork: Claude Code for the rest of your work

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Post by TeMPOraL »

hypfer wrote: post #416
TeMPOraL wrote: post #344

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Paranoia is justified if it actually serves some purpose. Staying paralyzed and not doing anything because Someone Is Reading Your Data is not serving much of anything. Hint: those Someones have better things to do. LLM vendors really don't care about your bank statements, and if they were ever in a position to look, they'd prefer not to have them, as it just creates legal and reputational risks for them.

I am genuinely confused by this comment, given the intensity of disregard/ignorance/bad-faith. I mean we had these before in other very similar topics regarding e.g. Snowden leaks but really a lot of things. So.. uh.. The wording is just so on the nose I'm refusing to believe that this was written in good faith by a real person. Good engagement bait tho.

> I am genuinely confused by this comment, given the intensity of disregard/ignorance/bad-faith.

I conversely am confused by the amount of knee-jerk reaction to the word "privacy" people here have.

> I mean we had these before in other very similar topics regarding e.g. Snowden leaks but really a lot of things. So.. uh..

Yes, exactly. Now consider that the world kept on spinning anyway, and the revelations from the aforementioned leaks turned out to have exactly zero impact on the vast majority of people.

To be clear: I'm not questioning the ethical importance of all that privacy talk, just practical importance. It's bad that we don't have more control and protection of our data by default, but at the same time, excepting few people and organizations, the impact is so small in practice that it's not worth the energy spent being so militant about it.

Re: Cowork: Claude Code for the rest of your work

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Post by hoss1474489 »

hoss1474489 wrote: post #102
felixrieseberg wrote: post #6

Hi, Felix from the team here, this is my product - let us know what you think. We're on purpose releasing this very early, we expect to rapidly iterate on it. (We're also battling an unrelated Opus 4.5 inference incident right now, so you might not see Cowork in your client right away.)

Beachball of death on “Starting Claude’s workspace” on the Cowork tab. Force quit and relaunch, and Claude reopens on the Cowork tab, again hanging with the beachball of death on “Starting Claude’s workspace”. Deleting vm_bundles lets me open Claude Desktop and switch tabs. Then it hangs again, I delete vm_bundles again, and open it again. This time it opens on the Chat tab and I know not to click the Cowork tab...

I noticed a couple hanging `diskutil` processes that were from the hanging and killed Claude instances. Additionally, when opening Disk Utility, it would just spin and never show the disks.

A restart fixed all of the problems including the hanging Cowork tab.

Re: Cowork: Claude Code for the rest of your work

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Post by hoss1474489 »

carlosbaraza wrote: post #486
hoss1474489 wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Beachball of death on “Starting Claude’s workspace” on the Cowork tab. Force quit and relaunch, and Claude reopens on the Cowork tab, again hanging with the beachball of death on “Starting Claude’s workspace”. Deleting vm_bundles lets me open Claude Desktop and switch tabs. Then it hangs again, I delete vm_bundles again, and open it again. This time it opens on the Chat tab and I know not to click the Cowork tab...

Same thing for me. It crashes. Submitted a report with the "Send to Apple" report, not sure if there is any way the team can retrieve these reports.

Restarting the machine got Cowork working for me.

Re: Cowork: Claude Code for the rest of your work

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Post by hypfer »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #561
hypfer wrote: post #416

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am genuinely confused by this comment, given the intensity of disregard/ignorance/bad-faith. I mean we had these before in other very similar topics regarding e.g. Snowden leaks but really a lot of things. So.. uh.. The wording is just so on the nose I'm refusing to believe that this was written in good faith by a real person. Good engagement bait tho.

> I am genuinely confused by this comment, given the intensity of disregard/ignorance/bad-faith. I conversely am confused by the amount of knee-jerk reaction to the word "privacy" people here have. > I mean we had these before in other very similar topics regarding e.g. Snowden leaks but really a lot of things. So.. uh.. Yes, exactly. Now consider that the world kept on spinning anyway, and the revelations from the a…

I understand that you have given up and trust me, I can see why one would do that.

That is fine. You can do that.

What is not fine however is discrediting the people that haven't given up as paranoid militant lunatics.

You can be nihilistic, disillusioned, all you want, but it is not okay to pull other people down and attack them just because they still believe in something you do not appear to be doing (anymore?)

Apathy is okay. Sabotage is not

Re: Cowork: Claude Code for the rest of your work

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Post by TeMPOraL »

jameshart wrote: post #517
TeMPOraL wrote: post #342

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Theoretically, the power drill you're using can spontaneously explode, too. It's very unlikely, but possible - and then it's much more likely you'll hurt yourself or destroy your work if you aren't being careful and didn't set your work environment right. The key for using AI for sysadmin is the same as with operating a power drill: pay at least minimum attention, and arrange things so in the event of a problem, you…

It’s easy for people to understand that if they point the powerdrill into a wall the failure modes might include drilling through a pipe or a wire, or that the powerdrill should not be used for food preparation or dentistry. People, in general, have no such physical instincts for how using computer programs can go wrong.

Which is in part why rejection of anthropomorphic metaphors is a mistake this time. Treating LLM agents as gullible but extremely efficient idiot savants on a chip, gives pretty good intuition for the failure modes.

Re: Cowork: Claude Code for the rest of your work

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Post by tiahura »

felixrieseberg wrote: post #6

Hi, Felix from the team here, this is my product - let us know what you think. We're on purpose releasing this very early, we expect to rapidly iterate on it. (We're also battling an unrelated Opus 4.5 inference incident right now, so you might not see Cowork in your client right away.)

The announcement says existing connectors work, but only Claude for chrome does.

Re: Cowork: Claude Code for the rest of your work

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Post by ajam1507 »

brushfoot wrote: post #68
simonw wrote: post #44

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A few months ago I would have said that no, Anthropic make it very clear that they don't ever train on customer data - they even boasted about that in the Claude 3.5 Sonnet release back in 2024: https://www.anthropic.com/news/claude-3-5-sonnet > One of the core constitutional principles that guides our AI model development is privacy. We do not train our generative models on user-submitted data unless a user gives us…

To me this is the biggest threat that AI companies pose at the moment. As everyone rushes to them for fear of falling behind, they're forking over their secrets. And these users are essentially depending on -- what? The AI companies' goodwill? The government's ability to regulate and audit them so they don't steal and repackage those secrets? Fifty years ago, I might've shared that faith unwaveringly. Today, I have m…

I think they are putting their faith in their attorneys

Re: Cowork: Claude Code for the rest of your work

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Post by m463 »

hypfer wrote: post #26

People do realize that if they're doing this, they're not feeding "just" code into some probably logging cloud API but literally anything (including, as mentioned here, bank statements), right? Right? RIGHT?????? Are you sure that you need to grant the cloud full access to your desktop + all of its content to sort elements alphabetically?

     v-- click!
  [ACCEPT] [CANCEL]

Re: Cowork: Claude Code for the rest of your work

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Post by thunky »

comp3 wrote: post #488
bandrami wrote: post #362

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I mean, maybe? I'm not sure there are really "insights" I'm missing here that I need a probabilistic take about

Posts like the one above you just show me how clueless people are who deal with production of software everyday but have little to no idea about the jobs of others outside of their realm. Comical stuff.

Not really. If the job was 100% deterministic we wouldn't need the human, would we?

Re: Cowork: Claude Code for the rest of your work

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Post by pixl97 »

angry_octet wrote: post #489
pixl97 wrote: post #383

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Technically if your a large enterprise using things like this you should have DNS blocked and use filter servers/allow lists to protect your network already. For smaller entities it's a bigger pain.

Most large enterprises are not run how you might expect them to be run, and the inter-company variance is larger than you might expect. So many are the result of a series of mergers and acquisitions, led by CIOs who are fundamentally clueless about technology.

I don't disagree, I work with a lot of very large companies and it ranges from highly technically/security competent to a shitshow of contractors doing everything.
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