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Apple picks Gemini to power Siri

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Post by willtemperley »

lostlogin wrote: post #555
willtemperley wrote: post #540

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It's strategically devastating because no small number of users choose Apple because they do not trust Google and now they have no choice but to have Google AI on-board their machines. I respect Google's engineering, and I'm aware that fundamental technologies such as Protocol Buffers and FlatBuffers are unavoidably integrated into the software fabric, but this is is avoidable. I'm surprised Google aren't paying Appl…

Siri > off is my default. Presumably I could still do this?

Yes but I may want to use Apple intelligence and now I have to use Google intelligence instead. This is not the product I paid thousands of dollars for.

Second I'm developing privacy focused apps that were going to use foundation models. Now I need to seriously reconsider this.

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Post by croon »

mcny wrote: post #408
ohyoutravel wrote: post #393

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Fantastic reference. I remember pirating this from microcrap.com in about 1996.

> 1996 I'm chuckling at the idea of pirating software in 1996. iirc even in 1999, I couldn't figure out why Windows update required me to use internet exploder. It would take forever to download updates over dialup.

BBS existed long before that, and even before that we had "sneakernets" or "copy parties". I assume the term "pirating" is much newer than the concept of copying software, or copyright of said software.

Re: Apple picks Gemini to power Siri

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Post by walthamstow »

lostlogin wrote: post #555
willtemperley wrote: post #540

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's strategically devastating because no small number of users choose Apple because they do not trust Google and now they have no choice but to have Google AI on-board their machines. I respect Google's engineering, and I'm aware that fundamental technologies such as Protocol Buffers and FlatBuffers are unavoidably integrated into the software fabric, but this is is avoidable. I'm surprised Google aren't paying Appl…

Siri > off is my default. Presumably I could still do this?

Just don't update your phone, they'll probably switch it on without asking like they do for Apple Intelligence. Or use Carplay, for which Siri is required.

Re: Apple picks Gemini to power Siri

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Post by ada0000 »

darkoob12 wrote: post #468
ada0000 wrote: post #419

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don’t forget oracle!

Please forget Oracle. I don't even know the name of their cloud service. I haven't heard anyone using their service for AI.

OpenAI aren’t using their cloud directly, but have signed data center partnerships with them that are effectively huge amounts of debt not backed up with revenue. That’s all liability that Google doesn’t really have because they have revenue from other areas.

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Post by earthnail »

bmitc wrote: post #507
alexkundera wrote: post #499

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Apple is always behind on industry trends, but when they adopt them eventually, they become mainstream and cool. This is what will happen with the folding phones this year, if rumors are true.

> but when they adopt them eventually, they become mainstream and cool When was this part last true?

Airpods

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Post by stickmunch »

bmitc wrote: post #507
alexkundera wrote: post #499

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Apple is always behind on industry trends, but when they adopt them eventually, they become mainstream and cool. This is what will happen with the folding phones this year, if rumors are true.

> but when they adopt them eventually, they become mainstream and cool When was this part last true?

Tablets; Soldering SSD's and ram to the motherboard.

Microsoft had tablets for a decade before the iPad came out. You rarely ever saw them in the wild. In fact, you still rarely see a Surface tablet. At least, I don't.

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Post by jedimastert »

willtemperley wrote: post #540
espadrine wrote: post #519

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Counterpoint: iOS’s biggest competitor is Android. They are now effectively funding their competition on a core product interface. I see this as strategically devastating.

It's strategically devastating because no small number of users choose Apple because they do not trust Google and now they have no choice but to have Google AI on-board their machines. I respect Google's engineering, and I'm aware that fundamental technologies such as Protocol Buffers and FlatBuffers are unavoidably integrated into the software fabric, but this is is avoidable. I'm surprised Google aren't paying Appl…

> no small number of users choose Apple because they do not trust Google

Unfortunately, it probably actually is a small number comparatively. Or at least I would need to see some sort of real data to say anything different.

I feel like people who distrust Google probably wouldn't trust Apple enough to give them their data either? Why would you distrust one but not the other?

Re: Apple picks Gemini to power Siri

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Post by jedimastert »

Fiveplus wrote: post #42

The writing was on the wall the moment Apple stopped trying to buy their way into the server-side training game like what three years ago? Apple has the best edge inference silicon in the world (neural engine), but they have effectively zero presence in a training datacenter. They simply do not have the TPU pods or the H100 clusters to train a frontier model like Gemini 2.5 or 3.0 from scratch without burning 10 year…

> I'm oversimplifying but this effectively turns the iPhone into a dumb terminal for Google's brain

I feel like people probably said this when Google became the default search engine for everyone...

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Post by votepaunchy »

cush wrote: post #159
Workaccount2 wrote: post #58

If nothing else, this was likely driven by Google being the most stable of the AI labs. Gemini is objectively a good model (whether it's #1 or #5 in ranking aside) so Apple can confidently deliver a good (enough) product. Also for Apple, they know their provider has ridiculously deep pockets, a good understanding and infrastructure in place for large enterprises, and a fairly diversified revenue stream. Going with An…

> Gemini is objectively a good model (whether it's #1 or #5 in ranking aside) so Apple can confidently deliver a good (enough) product Definitely. At at this point, Apple just needs to get anything out the door. It was nearly two years ago they sold a phone with features that still haven't shipped and the promise that Apple Intelligence would come in two months.

The iPhone 16 was released 16 months ago, not “nearly” 24 months.

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Post by espadrine »

postexitus wrote: post #538
espadrine wrote: post #519

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Counterpoint: iOS’s biggest competitor is Android. They are now effectively funding their competition on a core product interface. I see this as strategically devastating.

Counterpoint: Google is paying Apple $20b/year to keep themselves as the default search engine in iOS. Android's biggest competitor is iOS. They are now effectively funding their competition on a core product interface. I see this as strategically devastating.

Does Apple develop a competing search engine?
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