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Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by bubbasugga »

tavavex wrote: post #501
bubbasugga wrote: post #434

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Their cynicism is cope. They are witnessing their own decline every single day. It's honestly so sad. On the other side of the globe there is Tesla [1]. Even if you don't like the idea of cars, this is the pinnacle of a utilitarian product. Also one of the most popular vehicles (globally) as opposed to the (incorrect) example used in the thread. Modern cars are great for the most parts. More comfortable, more safe, m…

Electric cars could have paved the way to practical, utilitarian vehicles through their less-moving-parts, simpler nature. Instead, what we got were IoT gadgets on wheels, and Tesla is a pinnacle of that. It's about as far from a utilitarian product as you can get. Every modern Tesla vehicle is a definition of software-over-hardware and form-over-function. In your hypothetical 30 year apocalypse scenario, no one woul…

get back into your hole

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by aebtebeten »

alephnerd wrote: post #145
thelastgallon wrote: post #123

The French seem to be very thoughtful people who solved multiple pesky problems permanently: 1) Guillotine for the super rich 2) Nuclear to power >70% 3) C15 for people, cows, craftsmen, mini house 4) TGV 5) french fries for the fastest carbohydrate delivery, handily beating rice I wish they bring back the first 3 and do some shorts, market them to the world. Fries are doing fine.

> Guillotine for the super rich You know modern France has the exact same problem of billionaire lobbying and media consolidation that the US has right? Arnault (LVMH) [0], Trappier (Dassault) [1], Niel (Illiad) [2], Lagardère (Lagardère SA) [3], Bolloré (Bolloré Group) [4] and a couple others have an inordinate amount of control over French politics. It's also why whenever a country like China, the US, India, or oth…

> "The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which" —GO

> "Now, however, the concept of human brotherhood began to be assailed by people who were not yet in positions of command, but merely hoped to be so before long. In the past the Middle had made revolutions under the banner of equality, and then had established a fresh tyranny as soon as the old one was overthrown. The new Middle groups in effect proclaimed their tyranny beforehand." —EG

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by b40d-48b2-979e »

tmerc wrote: post #542
b40d-48b2-979e wrote: post #377

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I had a 2010s Civic and moved to a Model 3. The curb weight difference was only ~3-400 lbs (about 10%), but the larger battery capacity, large SUV offerings are significantly heavier than ICE options (the F150 Lightning is about 2,000 pounds heavier than an ICE F150, for example, 5,000 -> 7,000 lbs.).

The 8th Gen Civic in heaviest config was about 2900lb. The lightest model 3 is about 3500lb. 600lb best case. The lighter config Civic was 2500lb (not usdm iirc) vs the heaviest model 3 being 4000lb.

Gen 8 was the 2000s, not 2010s.

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by IgorPartola »

LeChuck wrote: post #558
IgorPartola wrote: post #532

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OK but I do not live in Europe (though I am originally from there). You are trying to convince me that there is no possible utility that a pickup truck can have where I live, despite you having no experience with it. I am telling you from personal experience that it does have utility while also having had experience with using cars, vans, trailers, and delivery services. What makes you so convinced that your lack of…

No, I’m saying you’re right. A pickup is much more usefull for that.

Oh my bad, I misread that!

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by tmerc »

b40d-48b2-979e wrote: post #563
tmerc wrote: post #542

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The 8th Gen Civic in heaviest config was about 2900lb. The lightest model 3 is about 3500lb. 600lb best case. The lighter config Civic was 2500lb (not usdm iirc) vs the heaviest model 3 being 4000lb.

Gen 8 was the 2000s, not 2010s.

I thought 2010 was 9th Gen as well but by Wikipedia, it's not. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Civic_(eighth_generation... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Civic_(ninth_generation) But the 9th Gen is roughly the same weight, though the hatch is significantly heavier so the best case does lose about 230lb if op was talking 9th Gen.

Early 2000s is 7th gen.

I own a 9th Gen si so the weight (about 2800lb for the sedan) is just a figure I remember.

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Post by beezle »

prmoustache wrote: post #477
beezle wrote: post #257

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Don't know why you are down voted. People just assume that you have a place to store a trailer (and truck and motorcycle). As to your choice of the Ford,as a rural late model (2018) F-150 owner, I'd encourage you to consider something else. A used Tundra V8 or one of the GMC/Chevy's. My mechanic is thumbs down on the Rams longer term. I've had nothing but stupidity with this F-150 and all I do is personal plowing and…

You usually don't buy a vehicle that doesn't fit on a regular parking space when you don't have place to store a trailer. Funny how some people go stupid justification after stupid justification for what is just an impractical for anything vanity product.

Regualar US parking spots are 18-20 feet deep (depending angle) and 9 feet wide. A F-150 supercrew w/ standard 6.5 foot bed is 20.25 feet which is about as long an f-150 you can buy. The shortest is about 17.5 feet.

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Post by ttoinou »

jzebedee wrote: post #544
ttoinou wrote: post #203

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Right now french people are obsessed with ecology and egalitarianism. Those who don't are not well seen in society, or left the country already. So the best thing I'd see them excelling at in this century, if they can drive their ideology in the right direction, would be producing low-tech solutions solving 90% of problems with 20% of the costs, with open-source like tools / materials / methods everyone can replicate…

> Right now french people are obsessed with ecology and egalitarianism. Those who don't are not well seen in society, or left the country already. While we're barreling toward climate catastrophe? That's not the criticism you think it is.

I made my best to formulate my viewpoint neutrally and not write a criticism. And I do think there are smart ways to be an ecology fanatic and egalitarian.

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Post by kube-system »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #317
loeg wrote: post #281

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The Hilux is the second best selling truck in Europe, as far as I can tell. The similar (but not identical) US model is the Tacoma.

The Tacoma is gussied up and not Spartan/repairable as the Hilux. I guess it’s more comparable to the current ranger than the hilux is, I wonder if ford makes a stripped down ranger for the developing world? Are there any Ranger Jeepneys? Maybe the T6? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Ranger_(T6) Oddly enough, it says this was developed in Australia but might be the ranger selling in the USA/Europe now (the same on…

All Rangers are T6-platform Rangers now. It was designed well before the factories closed in Australia, but global automakers have been steadily consolidating to global-platform cars since the 1990s. The locality of the design doesn't matter as much when it'll be used across the world. It makes the most sense to design them where there is good design talent, and build them where it is economical to build them.

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Post by kube-system »

testing22321 wrote: post #427
loeg wrote: post #281

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The Hilux is the second best selling truck in Europe, as far as I can tell. The similar (but not identical) US model is the Tacoma.

> The similar (but not identical) US model is the Tacoma. This is a very common misconception. At no point have the hilux and Tacoma shared any parts. Not engines, transmissions, frames, breaks, axles, wiring or anything interior. The hilux is a small efficient turbo diesel with plenty of torque. The Tacoma is an anemic gas V6 that gets horrible mileages. The Tacoma is significantly larger, and has a lower payload. T…

> At no point have the hilux and Tacoma shared any parts. Not engines, transmissions, frames, breaks, axles, wiring or anything interior.

They are on different platforms and are significantly different vehicles but they absolutely have shared parts. There are no bespoke cars built anymore, it is no longer viable to build a mass produced car without using some parts off the shelf.

For example, both vehicles have used: 2TR-FE engine, RC60F manual transmission, AC60F automatic transmission, etc.

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Post by rcd2 »

Fiveplus wrote: post #12

The C15 represents a time when a vehicle was a tool. I feel vehicles want to turn into a subscription service these days. I still see these running in rural Spain and France, usually held together with wire and hope, clocking like what 400k+ km? The XUD diesel engines are practically unkillable. They have no ECU to brick, no adblue sensors to fail and put the car into limp mode and thankfully none of those DRM locked…

My father had one up until very recently. He now has a Citroen Berlingo (I think it’s this model). Rural Portugal by the way.
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