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Re: Microsoft increases Office 365 and Microsoft 365 license prices

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Ok, but surely google docs does that just as well or even better? I have never even heard of sharepoint and onedrive!

I can believe you not hearing about Sharepoint. But not hearing about Onedrive is basically impossible if you have used a Windows machine in the last decade.

I have never used windows machines for anything but gaming, but I get your point readily. If I had used the windows finder I would have encountered onedrive.

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OK, so that's a pop culture thing in Germany, that's interesting. But the idea that Google Workspace is somehow worse than Microsoft 365 doesn't seem to be supported by any evidence as far as I'm aware of, though. And if you actually look at paid Workspace terms, Google never looks at or uses your corporate data, and there are tons of internal controls over that. Obviously, tons of companies (including companies who…

> OK, so that's a pop culture thing in Germany, that's interesting. I wouldn't associate Datenkrake with anyhting related to "pop culture" (in the sense I see the word "pop cultural" used by US-Americans like for currently popular celebrities, movies, songs, ...), but rather as "part of daily life"; perhaps a little bit "subcultural" and using this word sends a rather clear signal on how your stance on privacy topics…

I meant it's a term expressing viewpoint that's part of popular culture in Germany, as opposed to part of academia. There's no equivalent term in American popular culture.

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Reverse argument is true as well.. If corporations were not using buggy/fragile, complex, and potentially vulnerable products from Microsoft & other vendors (e.g., Oracle), there may NOT have been need of so many skilled engineers and IT departments.

All software is vulnerable, so what you're saying is not true. The only reason the products you listed seem more vulnerable is because they are focused by malicious actors due to their popularity and hence, also more often in the news.

Actually, the more the popularity or criticality of a product or system, the higher the likelihood that malicious actors may target it. So any such product or system needs adequate security measures and IT staff to protect and maintain it.

That's why iPhones and Androids get jailbroken (as they dominate the mobile OS market), that's why Windows has max viruses and worms to infect it (since it is on max number of PCs worldwide), that's why even Linux is being hacked/targeted (these days via malicious github packages, because Linux is becoming more popular, especially due to Valve's pushing SteamOS for Linux gaming).

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Microsoft is a buffet. You can get anything you want but it’s rare people leave a buffet saying “Man that food was great!” Usually people go to different places for different things of better quality. This is clear because there are lots of very successful competing products to Microsoft’s buffet. The only moat I’d say Microsoft actually has is Excel. And maybe Powerpoint. Everything else can be replaced easily and o…

Google Sheets can do a lot, especially if you have automation tool like Zapier. Excel is no longer a moat or the moat. Powerpoint… jain. It’s cool, but Miro and Figma eat that cake nowadays.

With its integrations and Turing completeness, unlike word processing or presentation- if it requires excel you just need to use excel. Even Mac Excel won’t work.

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Starting with the ads. Windows 11 was launched for precisely this purpose. Because what better way to milk daily revenue from existing millions of Windows PCs than to show desktop-level ads. The actual product price increases are an added boost to the M$ coffers. Microsoft thinks that most students/home users will not run away instead to Linux and OpenOffice/LibreOffice, and maybe it's right, since they had decades t…

They are right, but they're too slow in realizing this. I of course switched to Linux decades ago, but for ages now, I've constantly heard people swearing "this is the last straw Microsoft! I'm going to switch to Linux!" because of some transgression and then they never do. A few people might convert, but tightening the screws on the rest of them will by far more than make up for the ones they lose. MS needs to make…

Oracle did the same cheap dirty trick for profits, when it is bundled adware/spyware (Ask toolbar) by default on its JRE (Java Runtime Installer) used on millions of corporate and student/home PCs, because it knew Java/JRE would already be whitelisted on those machines (Java gets updates, so IT admins tend to whitelist its EXEcutable and its installer (JRE installer), since it is necessary for corporate work (many legacy software depend on Java)).

Suddenly, many IT admins were in a tough spot explaining to many internal customers (including senior management; even CxO's have Java on their office laptops) why their PCs were suddenly flooded with popup ads and even ads on intranet sites (because Ask toolbar integrated into the browser)).

Google used to have a motto/policy of "Do Not Evil", but it silently dropped that approach. It had to do so, because its biggest rivals had already adopted and profited from the evil attitudes, so it too simply followed the evil tide.

The world has always been ruled by the oligarchs (the richest and most powerful people), but in modern era, it is the biggest corporates (especially trillion dollar valuation companies) that call the shots. And they continue do as they please, bending even powerful nations to their will.

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post #417

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All software is vulnerable, so what you're saying is not true. The only reason the products you listed seem more vulnerable is because they are focused by malicious actors due to their popularity and hence, also more often in the news.

No, I think you’ll find certain legacy corporations have terrible codebases and very little incentive to fix it, because why fix what makes money and has no liability?

Agreed.

Naive people in corporations think Linux and other FOSS (Free & Open Source Software) can save them from Microsoft, Oracle, etc. woes.

But the reality is that corporates have very less incentive to migrate to open-source alternatives. Because it would mean negligible/no support, less work and hence less staffing (senior management have to justify the staffing headcount somehow).

FOSS solutions typically don't get proper (or in some cases, not even any) support from the solution makers (developer company/persons).

Corporates thrive internally on liability (they always want to blame someone, easiest target are their IT staff), and thrive externally by trying to avoid liability.

e.g., Big Pharma (Pfizer, sold hundreds of millions of COVID vaccines worldwide, after ensuring those target countries (including their own country) first gave them complete indemnity from any liability for the negative effects or lack of efficacy of the vaccines.

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So you can hook up all those internal employee databases to your new created libpam-mysql and hook it up all to slack or just use what Microsoft sells you.

> your new created libpam-mysql I do not need to create it, it already exists. Yes, you can write your own pam module, but in general you do not need to. > just use what Microsoft sells you. Which means now your employees need to manually sync the MS and your internal databases. Depends on how much your employees time is worth for you. I mean a lot of companies do exactly that, but it is certainly not the cheaper opt…

Ilegal? Lol, nice joke.

Re: Microsoft increases Office 365 and Microsoft 365 license prices

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Google Sheets can do a lot, especially if you have automation tool like Zapier. Excel is no longer a moat or the moat. Powerpoint… jain. It’s cool, but Miro and Figma eat that cake nowadays.

With its integrations and Turing completeness, unlike word processing or presentation- if it requires excel you just need to use excel. Even Mac Excel won’t work.

Excel-specific functions cover just a few use cases of thousands. It’s not a moat, when 99% of users can switch easily.

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I'd disagree in terms of the cloud capabilities. When it is used properly . The cloud stuff is very useful. I currently have a document that is going through multiple versions with about 8 people, with different expertise collaborating. Some have edit privs, some only have review. The ability for everyone to work on it simultaneously, with version history and no more document-v12-copy3_FINAL_FINALv2 is most welcome.

This is why Google Docs was so revolutionary... In 2006.

A company called Writely built it and google acquired it.

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> OK, so that's a pop culture thing in Germany, that's interesting. I wouldn't associate Datenkrake with anyhting related to "pop culture" (in the sense I see the word "pop cultural" used by US-Americans like for currently popular celebrities, movies, songs, ...), but rather as "part of daily life"; perhaps a little bit "subcultural" and using this word sends a rather clear signal on how your stance on privacy topics…

I meant it's a term expressing viewpoint that's part of popular culture in Germany, as opposed to part of academia. There's no equivalent term in American popular culture.

> I meant it's a term expressing viewpoint that's part of popular culture in Germany, as opposed to part of academia.

The word "Datenkrake" is also used in academic texts (even though I would say the word is a litle bit colloquial):

> https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=de&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=date...

As I wrote: I would consider this word to be "part of daily life" like "cooking pot" or "bicycle", which is why I would never have expected that the English translation of it

> https://www.dict.cc/?s=Datenkrake

is not understood.

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