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Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by inferiorhuman »

CyberDildonics wrote: post #550
inferiorhuman wrote: post #514

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you want to release something on windows you match an extra byte on the ends of lines Did I miss some sort of formal directive from Microsoft or is this just outrage that someone dared do something not up to your standards? try to punish and troll its users for using it Nobody's being punished. Configuring your dev environment is something people do for every language. Let's add some perspective here: we're talkin…

Did I miss some sort of formal directive from Microsoft or is this just outrage that someone dared do something not up to your standards? It's just the way it works, it isn't my standards, it is literally any piece of software that detects line breaks. Nobody's being punished. Configuring your dev environment is something people do for every language. No one has to configure around this issue because it is trivially…

  You sound like a lawyer grasping at straws instead of 
  someone with a reasonable perspective that wouldn't be
  hypocritical when flipped around.
What lawyer speak? You're throwing a temper tantrum over a situation entirely of your own making. That there's a Windows port of Zig and sufficient users to justify its continued existence pretty clearly shows your hyperbole isn't representative in the way you claim.

Were I in a situation where I needed to work with something not expecting LF line termination I'd either configure my dev environment appropriately or find tools that do what I want.

  No one has to care about zig, it's a niche language that doesn't
  care about its users, it's irrelevant except for hacker news threads.
So when it's your tool selection nobody has to care? But when someone else makes a decision you disagree with it's the end of the world? Gotcha. Don't check that checkbox. Stay mad, bro.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by jodrellblank »

jimbokun wrote: post #548
pessimizer wrote: post #291

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> I often find we don't appreciate enough people accepting their failures and changing their mind. Because this plays into a weird flaw in cognition that people have. When people become leaders because they are assholes and they are wrong, then after the wind blows the other way they see the light and do a mea culpa, there is always a certain segment that says that they're even more worthy to be a leader because they…

The flaw in your argument is referring to the people who are “always right.” Those people don’t exist. Which is exactly why the ability to change your opinion when presented with new information is a critical quality in a good leader.

“People who were right all along about this issue” rather than “people who are always right about everything all the time”.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by metaltyphoon »

LtWorf wrote: post #392
vzaliva wrote: post #388

Let me be blunt: this looks like a tantrum. Bugs exist, and they're sometimes fixed more slowly than we'd like, but given the size of the GitHub ecosystem this is probably just one of many outstanding bugs. Blaming AI is baseless - not that it couldn't be true, but the conclusion seems to be drawn from a single issue. What does this mean for the Zig project? I haven't heard of Codeberg, they may be great, but for a p…

> I haven't heard of Codeberg That's more of a you problem really. > I'd expect a proper discussion before deciding to move And you know the discussion did not happen?

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Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by infamouscow »

oaiey wrote: post #421
intalentive wrote: post #383

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Kelly’s indignant attitude and commitment to “engineering excellence” suggest a bright future for Zig. It’s good to see the leader of a technical project get angry about mediocrity.

[..] in a product not people. Insulting people is never a solution.

Derision is legitimate way to change behavior when other avenues fail.

A reasonable person that's acting maliciously can be reasoned to stop their behavior.

An unreasonable person that's acting in good faith cannot be reasoned to stop their behavior because they are stupid.

If after attempts to reason with the unreasonable fail, it is not an insult or ad hominem attack to explain the person is acting stupidly.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by alternatex »

mrsmrtss wrote: post #468
alternatex wrote: post #437

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Here's what Microsoft decided after a comparison to C#: https://www.theregister.com/2024/01/31/microsoft_seeks_rust_...

Microsoft isn't going to abandon C#, it's just using the right tool for the right job. While there are certainly cases where it is justified to go lower level and closer to the metal, writing everything in Rust would be just as dumb as writing everything in C# or god forbid, JS.

I'm not claiming otherwise. I'm just saying that saving some hundreds of millions of dollars on compute is what Rust as a language can enable.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by CyberDildonics »

inferiorhuman wrote: post #561
CyberDildonics wrote: post #550

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did I miss some sort of formal directive from Microsoft or is this just outrage that someone dared do something not up to your standards? It's just the way it works, it isn't my standards, it is literally any piece of software that detects line breaks. Nobody's being punished. Configuring your dev environment is something people do for every language. No one has to configure around this issue because it is trivially…

You sound like a lawyer grasping at straws instead of someone with a reasonable perspective that wouldn't be hypocritical when flipped around. What lawyer speak? You're throwing a temper tantrum over a situation entirely of your own making. That there's a Windows port of Zig and sufficient users to justify its continued existence pretty clearly shows your hyperbole isn't representative in the way you claim. Were I in…

it's the end of the world?

You didn't confront anything I wrote and instead just made up something no one said. All I did say was that zig is intentionally hostile to their own users, which they are.

If you could actually deal with what I wrote I think you would have done it already.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by bastardoperator »

pwdisswordfishs wrote: post #554
bastardoperator wrote: post #499

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ICE, Actions, and Microsoft, not a single complaint about git itself. All I see is they have CI issues coupled with dumbest anti AI policy that is impossible for them to enforce. Giving up your donations and losing half your community doesn't seem like an intelligent move when all you had to do is update your CI.

> ICE, Actions, and Microsoft, not a single complaint about git itself Codeberg is also a Git-based project host. It doesn't even support other repo types. Why would you be expecting the latter? If a project announcement or article headline says someone/something is quitting or leaving GitHub, it makes a lot of sense to assume that their issue is with GitHub (and in this case, it would be an assumption they'd be righ…

I was pointing out how ironic it was for them to move from git SaaS to git SaaS while having no issues with git on the git SaaS they're moving away from. Make sense?

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by baranul »

xanthor wrote: post #440
oaiey wrote: post #421

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[..] in a product not people. Insulting people is never a solution.

Sometimes people need to be shocked awake. Reality is harsh, and gentle language doesn't change that.

It can be true, that a person needs a wake-up call, but it can also be true that the person(s) doing the "shocking" are sadistic, abusive, or psychopaths.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by infamouscow »

oaiey wrote: post #495
SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #461

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>Insulting people is never a solution. That can not be absolutely true.

Nothing is absolutely true, but in this case definitely

This news story was read by investors and leadership inside of Microsoft.

That wouldn't have happened if they hadn't derided whatever idiot decision makers thought it was acceptable in the first place.

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