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Apple takes down ICE tracking apps after pressure from DOJ

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Re: Apple takes down ICE tracking apps after pressure from DOJ

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Methinks this won’t be the last politically-motivated removal from Apple’s App Store; the more apps they remove then the more they weaken their own arguments about how a locked-in walled garden is in consumer interests.

It was an illegal app designed to aid in illegal interference with law enforcement.

It is unsurprising for it to get removed, as companies must follow the law.

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post #561

Methinks this won’t be the last politically-motivated removal from Apple’s App Store; the more apps they remove then the more they weaken their own arguments about how a locked-in walled garden is in consumer interests.

It was an illegal app designed to aid in illegal interference with law enforcement. It is unsurprising for it to get removed, as companies must follow the law.

It is not illegal to notice actions of government agents in public or to report them to others; it was a legal app designed to facility activity protected by the First Amendemnt.

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post #561

Methinks this won’t be the last politically-motivated removal from Apple’s App Store; the more apps they remove then the more they weaken their own arguments about how a locked-in walled garden is in consumer interests.

It was an illegal app designed to aid in illegal interference with law enforcement. It is unsurprising for it to get removed, as companies must follow the law.

it is actually not illegal at all to report on the locations of law enforcement. This is, in fact, protected speech.

Re: Apple takes down ICE tracking apps after pressure from DOJ

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post #518

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> Sideloading is still possible if the developer key is registered To all intents and purposes it is not allowed, then. Google becomes the gate keeper by controlling registration "Trust us"

There is a caveat, sure, but to just say that sideloading will not be allowed is false.

The whole reason to sideloading in the first place is to circumvent Google's control.

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ICE puts people in danger and disregards their due process. When a group is performing unconstitutional activities they should be tracked and stopped where possible.

There's individual cases of unconstitutional behaviour, but ICE itself isn't unconstitutional. It was unconstitutional to effectively lock people in their homes during covid, but it was done anyway.

It’s unconstitutional to raid an entire apartment building and force everyone out as they search for potential “illegals” to take away without due process.

We are far beyond a couple an individual cases, it’s become the norm.

Stay at home orders for health reasons are constitutional. Also, in countries that had stricter rules far fewer people died.

When bringing comparisons to a discussion… check if you’re right, and maybe check if it’s even a good comparison.

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post #383

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> to remove an app that allowed people to evade law enforcement. No, they continued to allow police location apps (Google maps will even tell you where they are). The language they added to the app store rules were very specific: "Apps may only display DUI checkpoints that are published by law enforcement agencies, and should never encourage drunk driving or other reckless behavior such as excessive speed." Whether o…

What purpose outside abetting in avoiding a DUI is there for publishing a live map of DUI checkpoints? I’m not questioning whether you should be able to do it. I’m really curious.

You can be charged with a DUI despite being 100% sober, and you can be convicted, too. Both will upend your life.

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I don't see the problem. It was an app specifically developed to help people evade American law and attack people who work for the government, how is it a shock that they took it down?

Same. This app was specifically used to incite violence against law enforcement.

ICE is not law enforcement.

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Google disputes that: https://android-developers.googleblog.com/2025/09/lets-talk-...

Unverified developers can still use adb to install whatever they choose per the link: “How does developer verification impact my use of Android Studio? We are working to ensure these changes don’t have an impact on your day-to-day workflow so you can continue building your apps as smoothly as possible. Participating in developer verification will not affect your experience in Android Studio, the official IDE for Andr…

Non-developers are not considered here. Users without a PC and terminal know-how are left without any options. I don't believe that's an actual oversight...

Re: Apple takes down ICE tracking apps after pressure from DOJ

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post #557

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if we're talking about the EU, for a provider the size of Google, not allowing third party application installs is illegal in the EU under the Digital Markets Act

This doesn't necessarily mean they can't introduce developer verification process. (Meaning only Google verified and approved developers would be able to distribute APKs) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45411426 It's really quite worrying how all these things (age verification, chat control, side-loading prevention, etc.) seem to be coming to bear in tandem across many countries.

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