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Re: Sora 2

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Post by api »

morleytj wrote: post #496
the_duke wrote: post #273

I haven't seen comments regarding a big factor here: It seems like OpenAI is trying to turn Sora into a social network - TikTok but AI. The webapp is heavily geared towards consumption, with a feed as the entry point, liking and commenting for posts, and user profiles having a prominent role. The creation aspect seems about as important as on Instagram, TikTok etc - easily available, but not the primary focus. Genera…

Not to be a downer, but even as someone very optimistic about technology and AI generally, "TikTok but AI" sounds like a societally terrible thing to try and create. What's the benefit of this? Curious if anyone has a solid viewpoint steelmanning any positives they can think of.

I’ve been predicting for years that the next stop for “social” media is a purely machine generated slop feed designed to keep people addicted. No human creators at all.

The question is whether people will eventually get bored with this stuff or if it actually will mesmerize people for huge fractions of their waking lives.

If the latter, I suspect we will outlaw it eventually. It’d be like legalizing hard opiates, literally, but minus the ODs and health damage.

Re: Sora 2

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Post by morleytj »

slg wrote: post #557
groggo wrote: post #504

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It's pretty entertaining. People always like telling stories. Books, comic strips, movies, they're all just telling a story with a different amount of it left up to the viewer's imagination. Lowering the barrier to entry for this type of stuff is so cool. I think you have to be pretty pessimistic to not just think it's really cool. You can find issues with it for sure, and maybe argue that those issues outweigh the b…

>Books, comic strips, movies, they're all just telling a story with a different amount of it left up to the viewer's imagination. Lowering the barrier to entry for this type of stuff is so cool. This response just never feels true to me. Many of the most successful web comics are crude drawings of just stick figures and text[1] with potentially a little color thrown in[2] and like half of the videos I see on TikTok a…

This is a thing I think about often.

I think people have a mistaken view of what makes some form of storytelling interesting. Perhaps this is my own bias, but something could be incredibly technically proficient or realistic and I could find it utterly uninteresting. This is because the interesting part is in what is unique about the perspective of the people creating it and ideas they want to express, in relation to their own viewpoint and background.

Like you pointed out, many famous and widely enjoyed pieces of media are extremely simple in their portrayal.

Re: Sora 2

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Post by derektank »

martin-t wrote: post #354
larodi wrote: post #282

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Indeed is difficult to NOT share this resentment, should anyone understand what actually happens.

People are willingly blind. Kids are happy that homework takes less time. Teachers are happy that grading the generated homework takes less time. Programmers are happy they can write the same amount of code in less time. Graphic designers are happy they can get an SVG from a vague description immediately. Writers are happy they can generate filler from a few bullet points quickly. But then someone comes along, notice…

In a competitive marketplace the difference actually tends to become consumer surplus, in the form of reduced prices.

Re: Sora 2

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Post by api »

raincole wrote: post #547
morleytj wrote: post #496

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Not to be a downer, but even as someone very optimistic about technology and AI generally, "TikTok but AI" sounds like a societally terrible thing to try and create. What's the benefit of this? Curious if anyone has a solid viewpoint steelmanning any positives they can think of.

As a social experiment to reveal how senseless and pointless pop entertainment could be. (personal rant) I've been in a mild existential crisis since I read Amusing Ourselves to Death . Can one form of entertainment really be more well-regarded than another? Is fine art fundamentally different from pop art? Are there 'finer' pop cultures amongst all pop cultures? I do still think reading The Song of Ice and Fire is m…

There are probably ways you could explore this quantitatively by trying to measure the amount of novel latent information in the data you are ingesting, or by trying to quantify its effects on cognition.

Most short form content would probably score low. It’s short, for one, and it tends to be repetitive and lack anything like plot complexity or nuance.

Of course it’s not like trite pop is new. Way back in the dime store novel days it was called pulp. TikTok is just one of the latest iterations. People have always consumed dumb filler.

Re: Sora 2

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Post by ls612 »

btbuildem wrote: post #486

They're really playing loose with copyright: you have to actively opt out for them to not use your IP in the generated videos [1] Tangentially related: it's wild to me that people heading such consequential projects have so little life experience. It's all exuberance and shiny things, zero consideration of the impacts and consequences. First Meta with "Vibes", now this. 1: https://www.gurufocus.com/news/3124829/opena…

I mean Grok has been free rein for copyrighted characters for over a year now and nobody’s sued them.

Re: Sora 2

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Post by natiman1000 »

The fact that no one talking about how it compares against Veo tells me everything I need to know. This page is now filled with some bots!

Re: Sora 2

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Post by cogman10 »

rcxdude wrote: post #554
paulcole wrote: post #478

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I think a lot of it is 'a dog trained to play the piano at a 4th grade level' effect: yes, it's really notable and impressive, but it gets old fast and isn't obviously useful beyond the novelty. You need to put in a lot more effort to get any actual value out of these tools and at that point their strengths and limitations become a lot more clear and it's obvious that they are not an everything machine.

I agree. But also I'd add that I'd be impressed and wowed if what you showed is "Actually, now the dog is playing piano at 5th grade level" or "Now the same dog can play the drums!".

Getting a "WTF are you talking about, it's a dog playing the piano, why aren't you impressed!" doesn't help the case. I've already seen a dog play the piano and this doesn't appear to be any better than the last time I saw it.

I'm not seeing comparisons of this to other video generation that already exists. That's what I want to see. Is this faster, more crisp, better at continuity? Why is this impressive vs competition?

Re: Sora 2

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Post by Tryk »

raincole wrote: post #547
morleytj wrote: post #496

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to be a downer, but even as someone very optimistic about technology and AI generally, "TikTok but AI" sounds like a societally terrible thing to try and create. What's the benefit of this? Curious if anyone has a solid viewpoint steelmanning any positives they can think of.

As a social experiment to reveal how senseless and pointless pop entertainment could be. (personal rant) I've been in a mild existential crisis since I read Amusing Ourselves to Death . Can one form of entertainment really be more well-regarded than another? Is fine art fundamentally different from pop art? Are there 'finer' pop cultures amongst all pop cultures? I do still think reading The Song of Ice and Fire is m…

One analogy is to liken tiktok (and shortform content) as exploring the shallows. Walking around, close to the shoreline, you explore pieces of flotsam that the sea washes your way. You might spend a lifetime on this shore, walking up and down, but most would argue that you've actually never gone anywhere.

On the other hand, reading a book is like getting on a boat. You've made certain preparations for acquiring the vessel and set course through unknown territory. A journey away from the shore and away from what's immediately at hand, which can also turn out to be a journey towards self-discovery.

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