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Re: You did this with an AI and you do not understand what you're doing here

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Post by hopelite »

strgcmc wrote: post #316
hopelite wrote: post #246

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s interesting that you say that because besides the other perspectives on this type of matter, something I have come across is accusations of AI text that at the very least were not at all clearly AI, but also seemed like the accusation was simply a coping mechanism to deflect/evade having to accept or face new informatio/reality that was counter to one’s mental model or framework. I think of that recent situation…

I think you're veering too far into politics on what was originally not a very political OP/thread, but I'll indulge you a tiny bit and also try to bring the thread back to the original theme. You said a lot of words that I basically boil down to a thesis of, the value of "truth" is being diluted in real-time across our society (with flood-the-zone kinds of strategies), and there are powerful vested interested who be…

Why would you think it matters what you think? Keep your pretentious, supremacist narcissism to yourself and tell those you abuse what to do, because that is not going to matter here.

Re: You did this with an AI and you do not understand what you're doing here

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Post by simulator5g »

hopelite wrote: post #561
strgcmc wrote: post #316

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you're veering too far into politics on what was originally not a very political OP/thread, but I'll indulge you a tiny bit and also try to bring the thread back to the original theme. You said a lot of words that I basically boil down to a thesis of, the value of "truth" is being diluted in real-time across our society (with flood-the-zone kinds of strategies), and there are powerful vested interested who be…

Why would you think it matters what you think? Keep your pretentious, supremacist narcissism to yourself and tell those you abuse what to do, because that is not going to matter here.

This is a really strange reply.

Re: You did this with an AI and you do not understand what you're doing here

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Post by simulator5g »

jmuguy wrote: post #362
mock-possum wrote: post #357

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Why not deal with it the same way teachers have always felt with students breaking the rules?

Wife is a high school history teacher - she would have to flunk 75% of her students. That is after proving they used AI, which would be extremely time consuming. Its very demoralizing for her, she has to spend a lot of time reading written essays generated by AI. I think given time educators will adapt. Unless they get burnt out first. She could also just not give a shit and they let go on to be some college professo…

Maybe this is the answer to the fermi paradox. Intelligent life eventually invents the LLM, education collapses, dumb people empowered by technology destroy the environment.

Re: You did this with an AI and you do not understand what you're doing here

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Post by simulator5g »

rdtsc wrote: post #454

I wonder what's going on in the minds of these people. I would just be terribly embarrassed and not be able to look at myself in the mirror if I did shit like this. > batuhanilgarr posted a comment (6 days ago) Thanks for the quick review. You’re right ... On one hand, it's sort of surprising that they double down, copy and paste the response to the llm prompt, paste back that response and hope for the best. But, of…

You're assuming the process isn't automated. This could just be an app that gets them more green dots on their Github page. This developer might not even be a real person. https://blog.knowbe4.com/how-a-north-korean-fake-it-worker-t...

Re: You did this with an AI and you do not understand what you're doing here

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Post by kej »

b112 wrote: post #309
xpe wrote: post #281

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Seems to me like people have to push back more directly with a collective effort; otherwise the incentives are all wrong.

What I don't get, is why people think this action has value. The maintainer of the project could ask an LLM to do that. A senior dev. I can't imagine Googling for something, seeing someone on (for example) stackoverflow commenting on code, and then filing a bug to the maintainer. And just copy and pasting what someone else said, into the bug report. All without even comprehending the code, the project, or even runnin…

>I remember in Asimov's Empire series of books, at one point a scientist wanted to study something. Instead of going to study whatever it was, say... a bug, the scientist looked at all scientific studies and papers over 10000 years, weighed the arguments, and pronounced what the truth was. All without just, you know, looking and studying the bug. This was touted as an example of the Empire's decay.

Stupid nitpick, but this is from the first Foundation novel, although it is an emissary from the empire making the case against firsthand knowledge.

Re: You did this with an AI and you do not understand what you're doing here

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Post by sebastiennight »

balamatom wrote: post #553
sebastiennight wrote: post #448

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> If that's all which is expected of a person - to be a copypastebot for vast forces beyond one's ken - why fault that person for choosing easy over hard? I wouldn't be mad at them for that, though they might be faulted for not realizing that at some point, the copy/pasting will be done without them, as it's simpler and cheaper to ask ChatGPT directly rather than playing a game of telephone.

They are correctly following their incentives as they are presented to them. If you expect better of them, you need to state why, and what exactly.

Incentive: keeping your job/income. Money: good

Counter-incentive: being replaced by AI will cut your job/income

Expected action: avoid behavior that will get you replaced by AI, eg. copy/pasting tasks directly to/from AI tools without thinking

Re: You did this with an AI and you do not understand what you're doing here

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Post by Anamon »

globular-toast wrote: post #535
stahorn wrote: post #14

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You're doing it wrong: You should just feed other peoples AI-generated responses into your own AI tools and let the tool answer for you! The loop is then closed, no human time wasted, and the only effect is wasted energy to run the AI tools. It's the perfect business model to turn energy into money.

I invented a new technique that cuts down on the AI bill. I call it "just send me the prompt": https://blog.gpkb.org/posts/just-send-me-the-prompt/

I like how you boiled that down to the core. It can't create information out of thin air; I'll remember that phrasing next time someone sends me a PR with LLM-generated novelizations -- I mean, commit messages -- or tries to get me to read their GenAI book.

Re: You did this with an AI and you do not understand what you're doing here

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Post by Anamon »

cgearhart wrote: post #252
spicyusername wrote: post #208

The amount of text alone in the original post was a giveaway. LLMs produce so much text, including code, and most of it is not needed.

I keep talking to people who say stuff like “Claude wrote it all for me in a day”, but when I look at the code (or try it myself) it’s just so much useless code. I recently asked for Python code to parse some data into a Pandas dataframe and got 1k lines plus tests. Whatever—I’m just importing it, so let’s YOLO and see what happens. Worked like a charm in my local environment. But I wanted to share this in a Jupyter…

And many of those utilities and edge cases will have been wrong or inconsistent, too. That's what the new "100x engineers" don't realise, because they never check those 1,000 lines of code they generated for themselves in a few minutes.

I've made similar experiences to yours for some one-shot scripts, and once decided to actually look inside. It did stuff like writing three different validators for the same data, each called only once, each validating slightly differently, and no doubt each with their own set of subtle bugs and gotchas.

These tools are intrinsically incapable of creating clean architectures and adhering to consistent standards and best practices. They are not cost-cutting or raising efficiency, they're simply very good at camouflaging the immense time costs they will cause down the line.

Re: You did this with an AI and you do not understand what you're doing here

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Post by strgcmc »

simulator5g wrote: post #562
hopelite wrote: post #561

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Why would you think it matters what you think? Keep your pretentious, supremacist narcissism to yourself and tell those you abuse what to do, because that is not going to matter here.

This is a really strange reply.

I think they just read my first sentence and decided to take offense immediately. Shrug.

All I meant was, I didn't want to go down a path of talking about Trump... that's a very very dead horse to beat. I thought there were interesting elements to this person's ideas that were worth further discussion, that could be divorced/split-off from the Trump lightning rod, so I tried to do that. I generally thought I agreed with their original ideas, and wanted to build on them or respond to them, without getting sucked into wasting breath on Trump (nobody benefits, regardless if you have left or right leaning views).

I'm sure I could fix some gaps in the way I explained myself, but oh well, just another day on the internet.

Re: You did this with an AI and you do not understand what you're doing here

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Post by qingcharles »

ambicapter wrote: post #327
ttyyzz wrote: post #11

Over time, I've gotten a feel for what kind of content is AI-generated (e.g., images, text, and especially code...), and this text screams "AI" from top to bottom. I think badger responded very professionally; I'd be interested to see Linus Torvalds' reaction in such a situation :D

This one was pretty obvious, I shudder at the thought that they're going to get more subtle over time.

This is the one we spotted. How many did we already miss?
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