Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza • Hacker News Board

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

#561

Post by ivell » Wed, Sep 17, 2025, 4:58 AM UTC

energy123 wrote: post #502

dlubarov wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would we expect any desirable outcome in this hypothetical though? So the US flips, Israel is pressured into withdrawing, Hamas regains control of the strip and resumes rocket attacks, Israel is forced to respond eventually. It doesn't seem like a path toward a real solution.

It's the same liberal psychology behind UNSC Resolution 1701 in 2006 where Hezbollah pinkie promised to disarm. And now look at all the dead bodies that this liberal solution caused 18 years later. Of course the same types propose the same solutions again with no sense of shame as to how much death it causes. The actual durable solution is something like how Sri Lanka defeated the Tamil Tigers, or how Russia defeated…

> morale boost to Hamas, prolonging the time until surrender.

I think this is key. The protest must condemn Hamas while supporting innocent people. Protests that support Hamas as some kind of justified resistance just prolongates everything. Hamas doesn't care for its people. It has an ideological system that glorifies death. Death is just a means to an end for them.

This is the problem of viewing things black and white. The whole conflict is varying shades of Grey.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

#562

Post by energy123 » Wed, Sep 17, 2025, 5:00 AM UTC

MangoToupe wrote: post #547

energy123 wrote: post #488

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It makes it worse by reducing pressure on Hamas to surrender, increasing the duration of the war. Grotesque virtue signalling.

Surely if a surrender takes place, it will be merely symbolic. I cannot imagine anyone can convince a population so terrorized to forgive or forget.

Japanese civilians experienced far worse in WW2, and they forgot pretty quickly. The war against the Tamil Tigers would be another case study. Once the radicalism is dealt with by force, the ratcheting of violence is reduced, and people move on.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

#563

Post by margalabargala » Wed, Sep 17, 2025, 5:02 AM UTC

banku_brougham wrote: post #114

ipaddr wrote: post #69

Wonder why this made the frontpage when other political articles die. Has the rules around political non technical articles changed? Can we get an Epstein thread for the frontpage sometime this week?

maybe because we are two years into an event that will define the early 21st century.

What about "there is war in the middle east, still/again" is remotely unique enough in the last century to be a defining moment of the half-century?

If an event has the potential to be that, it's the near-peer land war in Europe.

The current Israel/Gaza conflict is a blip that is mildly different in degree than the same thing that has happened every decade or so since Israel was created.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

#564

Post by sporkxrocket » Wed, Sep 17, 2025, 5:02 AM UTC

dlubarov wrote: post #496

sporkxrocket wrote: post #434

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US and all other nations sanction Israel. If that doesn't work, military intervention. Israel will fall, it's just a matter of time.

What would you demand Israel do to be released from these hypothetical sanctions? Military intervention meaning invade a nuclear power?

Be dissolved. I think sanctions and making Israel economically unviable are a peaceful solution.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

#565

Post by fakedang » Wed, Sep 17, 2025, 5:02 AM UTC

l2silver wrote: post #468

yieldcrv wrote: post #447

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here is how they reacted, by preparing for isolation https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/15/middleeast/netanyahu-israel-i... https://www.dw.com/en/middle-east-israel-to-get-ready-for-is... https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-admits-israel-is-eco... pick whichever source you respect the most

What about the rest of Israel?

Israeli citizens, the vast majority of them, have not taken meaningful effort in overthrowing the government of a corrupt prime minister doing everything in his ability to stay in power, else Israeli citizens ought to learn from Nepal and call for a concrete transition of power. At this point, they are complicit in the genocide, like it or not - simply protesting in Tel Aviv and their local kibbutzim won't cut it. And I say this as someone who's view has shifted massively on this topic since October 7, 2023 - from a vocal supporter of Israeli action (as a Muslim nonetheless!) to a vocal opponent now. Until Israeli citizens overthrow their corrupt government of their own will, they are all part of the genocide and must be rightfully ostracized. Especially given that Netanyahu has outed himself as a one-Jewish-state proponent, and has no interest in a peaceful resolution - or in regional peace.

What's to say Israel's next plans aren't for Greater Israel next? Stealing parts of the Egyptian Sinai, Lebanon, Syria (which they already have done) and Jordan? And then Saudi Arabia and Iraq?

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

#566

Post by mpweiher » Wed, Sep 17, 2025, 5:02 AM UTC

[flagged]

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

#567

Post by sporkxrocket » Wed, Sep 17, 2025, 5:04 AM UTC

endorphine wrote: post #529

dluan wrote: post #525

Seeing PG slowly turn on this issue, from nothing into recognition and now into advocacy has been wild. Presumably because he has kids, and like many parents you understand with your eyes first, and then your heart. PG wields some amount of power in SV, but YC and others are still inextricably tied to what's happening. Thiel was just in Israel with elad gil, rabois, alex karp, joe lonsdale. It's just too much to list…

Is he still vocal about it? Do you have any recent comments of his to share?

He is, he regularly posts about it on X. I really admire his commitment to ethics. It says a lot that even for him, it must be difficult.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

#568

Post by arunabha » Wed, Sep 17, 2025, 5:04 AM UTC

Fraterkes wrote: post #182

ipaddr wrote: post #69

Wonder why this made the frontpage when other political articles die. Has the rules around political non technical articles changed? Can we get an Epstein thread for the frontpage sometime this week?

C'mon man, the Charlie Kirk post stayed on the front-page for a pretty long time.

Yeah, that was pretty surprising. Usually political stories are flagged and buried pretty quickly.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

#569

Post by fblp » Wed, Sep 17, 2025, 5:05 AM UTC

WuxiFingerHold wrote: post #478

[flagged]

I'd find this is one of the safer and more civil places to discuss these kind of topics.

And I feel like less than 1% of front page topics are political, and you're certainly not obliged to open them... yet somehow this made it "goodbye" for you?

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

#570

Post by margalabargala » Wed, Sep 17, 2025, 5:05 AM UTC

mslm wrote: post #558

margalabargala wrote: post #552

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This specific political topic is absolutely not the top of everyone's mind. The number of people on HN that this tangibly affects is frankly miniscule. Most of HN is American. It's on the other side of the world. It has about as much actual effect on the typical American as the just as bad events currently unfolding in Sudan.

This thread's numbers betray you. You're living under a rock if you think this topic isn't a regular at the highest political levels, on the news, and now frankly at the ballot box.

[flagged]