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Post by mpyne »

nyolfen wrote: post #525
mpyne wrote: post #248

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Well it's because by this logic we should just stop Americans from studying for computing jobs as well, that way those who remain will have higher wages. Just as the Luddites tried to stop the rise of industrialization that threatened to bring the skills they used to employ to the wider public at lower costs. The real answer is that immigrants create enough economic demand to be net positive even for Americans, for m…

tech wages have stagnated since ~2010 despite being one of approximately three productive growth industries. ever wonder why? > Well it's because by this logic we should just stop Americans from studying for computing jobs as well, that way those who remain will have higher wages. generally speaking, the point of 'having a country' is not 'offering opportunities to talented foreigners at the expense of citizens'. maj…

> tech wages have stagnated since ~2010 despite being one of approximately three productive growth industries. ever wonder why?

Not really, it's well explained by people realizing that wages are relatively high in tech relative to the labor required, which saw lots of college students pursuing computing degrees, the rise of coding bootcamps, and so on.

The industry was growing, but so was the labor pool. You'd not expect wages to continue shooting up in that situation except for micro-segments where the demand for labor grew without labor supply going up (which is something you see in part of the AI field).

> generally speaking, the point of 'having a country' is not 'offering opportunities to talented foreigners at the expense of citizens'

Of course not, but the point of having a country is to improve the general welfare of the citizens of that country, and immigration contributes to that.

It is good for Americans collectively to have easier (i.e. cheaper) access to good software, even if it is worse for the very small subset of the American population that provides it to allow for there to be more software developers.

We saw the field of medicine self-limit admission in that labor pool out of fear that wages would drop, and it has been disastrous for Americans' healthcare even long after the AMA removed the rules acting to limit new medical graduates. We should earn our wages based on the actual value we provide to our fellow Americans, rather than based on artificial rent-seeking behavior.

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Post by anon291 »

SilverElfin wrote: post #227
anon291 wrote: post #191

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So are the brahmins. The indigenous religions of India are basically gone. Only remembered in various folklore.

Where can I read more about this? That the indigenous are gone?

'Why I am not Hindu', an essay by Kancha Ilaiah is a good starting point. In the west, the narrative is that India = Hinduism..however Hinduism is a term the British made up to describe anything other than Islam, Judaism, and Christianity. The Brits classified Jains, Buddhists, and anyone else as Hindu.

However, when you get people to tell you various 'beliefs' of Hinduism , it's often very discordant, much more so than protestant/ Catholic / etc.

This is because there's hundreds of different sets of practices with various links. Due to migration selection, only some subset are commonly discussed in a western context.

But, in reality, the common people of India had a wide range of practice that is not the typical 'Indian' you hear about.

For example, many Indians in the west claim that Indians don't eat meat. This is a lie. Many groups have eaten meat since the time of the Indus Valley Civilization and still continue.

https://www.waterstones.com/book/why-i-am-not-a-hindu/iiaiah...

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Post by kccqzy »

joquarky wrote: post #513
kccqzy wrote: post #482

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You do not know enough about immigration and are spewing falsehoods. First, a visa is not permission to stay in the U.S. A foreigner can have an expired visa and a valid status to be in the U.S. (they can take their time at their leisure to apply for one). Conversely they can have an unexpired visa but no permission to be in the U.S. (such as when they have a H-1B visa but is actually unemployed for a long time). Sec…

You're talking in ideals, while others are talking praxis.

No, I am talking praxis.

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Post by sarchertech »

qwezxcrty wrote: post #553
sarchertech wrote: post #492

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You can apply for an EB-1A greencard or a national interest waiver green card while on an O1 visa. You can also get an employer sponsored green card similarly to what you’d do if you were on an H-1B.

Yes, but even for people eligible for EB1A (it usually has a higher bar in practice, EB2/NIW is easier but way worse backlog), filing a (or according to some lesser stringent interpretation, having an approved) I-140, will make you have immigration intent and thus illegible for extension of any nonimmigration visa. So you apply for green card and if you don't immediately get it (particularly because of the backlog fo…

That’s not the case. o1 is not officially classed as dual intent but it mostly functions that way.

“Labor Certification Exception:

Under the doctrine of dual intent, the fact that a U.S. employer has filed a labor certification, or an individual has filed a permanent residence petition on behalf of the non-immigrant, shall not be a basis for denying the O-1 petition, a request for extension of stay, admission to the US, or change of status for that O-1 non-immigrant.”

https://global.upenn.edu/isss/o1/

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Post by selkin »

bottlepalm wrote: post #524
selkin wrote: post #507

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Everybody has an accent. If you wish to hire accent-less people, you’d have no one to hire.

This is not just an accent, it’s extremely poor speaking and comprehension of English itself. Communication is painfully slow and you have to change the way you talk and your vocabulary as well. After a week of that, interviewing someone who actually knows English feels like turbo charged discussion. I get through interview questions in half the time, with literally 10x more information communicated.

Those are two different things, yet you only considered one of those important enough to highlight in your original message.

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Post by silentsea90 »

rootusrootus wrote: post #155
silentsea90 wrote: post #64

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There are also Indians who loathe being on such teams and actively seek diverse meritocratic teams, as one of those Indians.

I have seen this myself. I have also experienced more than a few Indian colleagues who were far more critical of Indians in management than the rest of us were. I feel like there is an extra layer of dynamics that just isn't apparent if you are not accustomed to seeing it.

In a way, the people that despise Indians most are Indians themselves :) I say it in a non violent way, as a self critique and a welcome embrace of ideas outside of the Indian mold.

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Post by throwaway2037 »

AdrianB1 wrote: post #475
throwaway2037 wrote: post #440

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> the rest are impacting negatively the economy Can you expand this line of thinking? Is this also true for other OECD members that aggressively pursue immigration as an economic growth strategy?

If you import cheap labor, you hit your economy by lowering the wages in that sector. When you have immigration, there are a few very top talents and a lot of average people coming, the average ones are not a net benefit in most cases. In US migrants don't create huge problems of integration and culture clashes, in Western Europe there are problems with that so the overall impact is negative.

    > If you import cheap labor
How do you define "cheap labor"? What is your max annual income?

What happens if you import middle class and above labour? In the USA, I assume this is about 75 USD per year salary.

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Post by buckle8017 »

y-curious wrote: post #423
buckle8017 wrote: post #148

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The thing this article didn't mention and the author likely doesn't know is that there's a guide going around instructing people on how to apply for H1B jobs on forums like 4chan.

So what if it comes from 4chan? I think it's a good thing for citizens to try and get jobs that should be going to them, no matter the source

Wasn't saying it's bad.

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Post by qwezxcrty »

sarchertech wrote: post #564
qwezxcrty wrote: post #553

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Yes, but even for people eligible for EB1A (it usually has a higher bar in practice, EB2/NIW is easier but way worse backlog), filing a (or according to some lesser stringent interpretation, having an approved) I-140, will make you have immigration intent and thus illegible for extension of any nonimmigration visa. So you apply for green card and if you don't immediately get it (particularly because of the backlog fo…

That’s not the case. o1 is not officially classed as dual intent but it mostly functions that way. “Labor Certification Exception: Under the doctrine of dual intent, the fact that a U.S. employer has filed a labor certification, or an individual has filed a permanent residence petition on behalf of the non-immigrant, shall not be a basis for denying the O-1 petition, a request for extension of stay, admission to the…

Okay, then it appears I have indeed overlooked this.

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Post by zer00eyz »

remarkEon wrote: post #546
zer00eyz wrote: post #322

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Show me the reduction in cost for medical care when 1/4 of the doctors in the US are foreign born medical grads, the bulk of whom came through the H1B program. Show me the American born doctors on the street going hungry while foreigners take their jobs. Show me the reduction in wages or costs. > supply and demand seemingly do not apply. Wages in tech engineering, and housing costs. Were drowing in data on both of th…

>Show me the reduction in cost for medical care when 1/4 of the doctors in the US are foreign born medical grads, the bulk of whom came through the H1B program. If this is true it is a genuine national security emergency, not least because foreign standards for practicing medicine are not the same as they are here. I've never encountered a foreign born medical grad in all my years. Where do they work? >These are smar…

> I've never encountered a foreign born medical grad in all my years. Where do they work?

https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/immigrant-health-car...

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