fuck google, chrome 140.x after that cannot use MV2
Google can keep its Chrome browser but will be barred from exclusive contracts
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Re: Google can keep its Chrome browser but will be barred from exclusive contracts
#562Earlier quoted context omitted.
AI is a competitor. You know how StackOverflow is dead because AI provided an alternative? That's happening in search too. You might think "but ChatGPT isn't a search engine", and that's true. It can't handle all queries you might use a search engine for, e.g. if you want to find a particular website. But there are many many queries that it can handle. Here's just a few from my recent history: * How do I load a share…
> You know how StackOverflow is dead because AI provided an alternative? That's happening in search too. Stack Overflow isn’t dead because of AI. It’s dead because they spent years ignoring user feedback and then doubled down by going after respected, unpaid contributors like Monica. Would they have survived AI? Hard to say. But the truth is, they were already busy burning down their own community long before AI show…
> and then doubled down by going after respected, unpaid contributors like Monica.
if like me you didn't know what this was referring to, here's some context: https://judaism.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5193/stack-...
Re: Google can keep its Chrome browser but will be barred from exclusive contracts
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I mean you can't blame Trump for this one. Trump 1's DoJ initiated this case. Trump 2's DoJ asked for structural remedies e.g. breaking up Google (can't remember if the Biden DoJ was the first to talk about breakup, they probably were, but Trump DoJ carried on with it). The news of the day is that the JUDGE told both Democrats and Republicans, as well as a supermajority of the American public, no you can't have what…
If you can’t remember an important detail that hinges your argument on defending someone, stop writing the comment and go do some research. Writing a comment on a machine capable of looking up the answer so you can push your own bias is why you’re getting downvotes.
I genuinely have no idea why you're attacking me. A magic political secret only you know and won't disclose? Are you deranged?
I mean all I know about what you're saying here, is that you have some kind of secret fake facts in your brain or something, sorry that must drive you nuts
Re: Google can keep its Chrome browser but will be barred from exclusive contracts
#564By the way, a pet peeve of mine right now is that reporters covering court cases (and we have so many of public interest lately) never seem to simply paste the link to the online PDF decision/ruling for us all to read, right in the story. (and another user here kindly did that for us below: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.223... ) It seems such a simple step (they must have been using the rul…
This is my pet peeve about most news articles. Give. me. raw. sources. Not edited clips, RAW CLIPS AND LINKS. I'm so tired of sensationalized news, I always look for raw sources or I assume there's a spin on the story. If someone made a news site that actually gave you raw sources, I would subscribe to them for life.
Re: Google can keep its Chrome browser but will be barred from exclusive contracts
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I think those are examples of AI prompts, not search queries. Searching sometimes requires effort even for simple questions. For example, if you're trying to find the word for an object, you might need to consider what sort of website might talk about that, how to find that website in a sea of SEO spam, and then read through the article manually to find the specific information you are looking for. Using an AI, you c…
Search engines have been good at answering those kinds of questions for the last decade. SEO spam often answers simple questions like that.
You can find the answer this way if the query is simple enough, but in general, if you are asking for something specific or trying to retrieve a piece of information based on keywords it's not usually indexed by, AI will do better. For example, "how are large concrete piers supporting a roadway constructed on a 45 degree slope?" Claude gave me an answer immediately, most Google results for my first two queries weren't specific enough/didn't include all details. I'm sure Google could find the answer, but asking Claude is just easier.
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I think one of the lessons of Wikipedia, is the more you link out the more they come back. People come to your site because it is useful. They are perfectly capable of leaving by themselves. They don't need a link to do so. Having links to relavent information that attracts readers back is well worth the cost of people following links out of your site.
Interesting example, as Google used to link to Wikipedia much more prominently, then stopped doing that, which dropped Wikipedia's visitor counts a lot. A very large percentage of Wikipedia's visits are Google referrals. Google shifted views that used to go to Wikipedia first to their in-house knowledge graph (high percentages of which are just Wikipedia content), then to the AI produced snippets. All to say, yes...W…
In my niche these links are all going to indian scam sites for years and years. Right now can google "taehyung" one of the largest kpop idols and see it live. Count the indian links that have been dominating without any particular expertise thanks to google's changes (indian scammer site kickbacks etc)
Re: Google can keep its Chrome browser but will be barred from exclusive contracts
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Have you used Grok or ChatGPT in the last year? I can't remember the last time I got a nonsense response. Do you have a recent example?
Yes I (try to) use them all the time. I regularly compare ChatGPT, Gemini, and Claude side by side, especially when I sniff something that smells like bullshit. I probably have ~10 chats from the past week with each one. I ask genuine questions expecting a genuine answer, I don't go out of my way to try to "trick" them but often I'll get an answer that doesn't seem quite right and then I dig deeper. I'm not intereste…
> Your success will of course vary depending on the topic and difficulty of your questions, but if you "can't remember" the last time you had a BS answer then I feel extremely confident in saying that your BS detector isn't sensitive enough.
Do you have a few examples? I'm curious because I have a very sensitive BS detector. In fact, just about anyone asking for examples, like the GP, has a sensitive BS detector.
I want to compare the complexity of my questions to the complexity of yours. Here's my most recent one, the answer to which I am fully capable of determining the level of BS:
I want to parse markdown into a structure. Leaving aside the actual structure for now, give me a exhaustive list of markdown syntax that I would need to parse.
I responded with:
I am seeing some problems here with the parsing: 1. Newlines are significant in some places but not others. 2. There are some ambiguities (for example, nested lists which may result in more than four spaces at the deepest level can be interpreted as either nested lists or a code block) 3. Autolinks are also ambiguous - how can we know that the tag is an autolink and not HTML which must be passed through? There are more issues. Please expand on how they must be resolved. How do current parsers resolve the issues?
Re: Google can keep its Chrome browser but will be barred from exclusive contracts
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StackOverflow is dead because its rules are nonsensical and many of its users are dicks. It's going to be a real problem going forward, because if AI hadn't killed them something else would have, and now it's questionable whether that "something else" will ever emerge. The need for something like SO is never going to go away as long as new technologies, algorithms, languages and libraries continue to be created.
A scary (if not particularly original) thought: If people become utterly reliant on LLMs and no longer embrace any new language etc for which there is insufficient LLM training, new languages etc will no longer continue to be created.
Possible, but I think unlikely. New languages already suffer this uphill battle because they don't yet have a community to do Q&A like entrenched languages; their support is the documentation, source code of implementations, and whatever dedicated userbase they have as a seed for future community. People are currently utterly reliant on community-based support like StackOverflow, and new languages continue to be born.
Re: Google can keep its Chrome browser but will be barred from exclusive contracts
#569This seems like a very sensible and logical conclusion by the judge to me. An exclusive contract with Apple/Samsung isn't great, but even Apple testified that they would not have accepted any other searcch engine because everyone else was worse. You can't make restrictions on what Apple is allowed to do because Google violated some law--if Apple wants to make Google the default, they should be allowed to do so! The b…
> Google started, developed, and built Chrome into the best browser available today I don’t think this is as settled as you imply. I tend to like Google products, and do almost everything in the Google ecosystem. But my browser is normally brave or Firefox, because better Adblock is so so impactful. I feel that chrome is a valid alternative, but that no browser is really clearly “the best”. In your view, what is it t…
When Chrome started, it was the best because it introduced the process-partitioned model that allowed it to completely avoid a common failure-mode among its peer browsers at the time: one bug in the processing of one tab would crash the entire browser (a problem exacerbated by the existence of a now-defunct plugin ecosystem where third-party code was running inside the browser process; we basically don't do that anymore). That was becoming brutal on users as more and more of the work they did every day transitioned over to web-based.
The other browsers have picked up the partitioning since then as a feature so the playing-field is far more level.
Re: Google can keep its Chrome browser but will be barred from exclusive contracts
#570Earlier quoted context omitted.
AI is a competitor. You know how StackOverflow is dead because AI provided an alternative? That's happening in search too. You might think "but ChatGPT isn't a search engine", and that's true. It can't handle all queries you might use a search engine for, e.g. if you want to find a particular website. But there are many many queries that it can handle. Here's just a few from my recent history: * How do I load a share…
I don't agree that ChatGPT gives an overall better experience than Google, let alone an actual good search engine like Kagi. It's very rare that I need to ask something in plain English because I just don't know what the keywords are, so the one edge the LLM might have is moot. Meanwhile, because it bullshits a lot (not just sometimes, a lot), I can't trust anything it tells me. At least with a search engine I can fi…
For me, ChatGPT in some instances replace Google in a very powerful way.
Been researching about waterproofing techniques in my area. Asked chatgpt about products in my region. Gladly mentioned some, provided links to shop. Found out I need to prep foundation with product X. One shop had only Y available, from description felt similar.
Asked about differences between products. Provided me with summary table that was crystal clear that one is more of a finishing stuff and the other is more of a structural and can also be used as finishing. Provided me with links to datasheets that confirm the information.
I could ask about alternative products and it listed me some, etc. Great when I need to research unknown field and has links... that is the good part :)