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Google will allow only apps from verified developers to be installed on Android

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Re: Google will allow only apps from verified developers to be installed on Android

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Every day we stray farther from the premise that we should be allowed to install / modify software on the computers we own. Will once again re-up the concept of a “right to root access”, to prevent big corps from pulling this bs over and over again: https://medhir.com/blog/right-to-root-access

To be fair to Google, they got so much cricticism for allowing so many spam apps.

Re: Google will allow only apps from verified developers to be installed on Android

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Android's ability to run binaries outside of the Google Play Store is a key differentiator of their product vs. Apple's. Or at least it used to be.

I beg to differ.

Most Android users choose that ecosystem due to the price point, as most of the world can not afford iPhones (even second hand ones).

Only a tiny fraction of the billions of Android users out there, chose it for its more open aspects.

Re: Google will allow only apps from verified developers to be installed on Android

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The only silver lining I see is if it allows you to bypass this by enabling dev mode on your phone. If you can't sideload unverified apps even in dev mode, that would be insanely bad. IF that is the case, I'm actually willing to be slightly inclined to see this as a positive? We should normalize installing apps outside of Google Play, but that means malware becomes a serious issue with people downloading and installi…

If they keep pushing, you won't likely be able to use any banking or payment apps with that "dev mode."

In fact, you may not even be able to use any apps that interact with Google Play Services, which includes almost every app on the market.

Re: Google will allow only apps from verified developers to be installed on Android

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post #503

The funny thing is Stallman started his fight like half a century ago and on regular days Hacker News shits on him eating something off of his foot and not being polished and diplomatic, and loves practical aspects of Corporate Open Source and gratis goodies and doesn't particularly care about Free Software. On this day suddenly folks come out of the woodwork advocating for half baked measures to achieve what Stallma…

Stallman actively hurts the cause with his behaviour. I'm not only talking about his eccentricities, but also the adversarial and combative language. Yes, Amazon is trying to swindle us, but few people will be convinced of that when you start your argument by calling the kindle an "Amazon swindle" every time, directly implying that anyone who has one is an idiot or even malicious.

Yes, it's unfair that someone can be 100% correct but people won't listen to them because of their appearance or mannerisms. But whining about that unfairness is unproductive. People will never listen to someone who can't stop themselves from eating stuff from their foot in public.

Re: Google will allow only apps from verified developers to be installed on Android

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post #323

Time to donate to GrapheneOS[1] and alternatives[2]. Or contribute [3]. [1] https://grapheneos.org/donate [2] https://members.calyxinstitute.org/donate [3] https://grapheneos.org/hiring

Why not LineageOS? They have better and more updated preinstalled Apps.

Re: Google will allow only apps from verified developers to be installed on Android

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If this is enforced via Play Protect, then the whole mechanism can likely be disabled with: adb shell settings put global package_verifier_user_consent -1 This does not require root access and prevents Android from invoking Play Protect in the first place. (This is what AOSP's own test suite does, along with other test suites in eg. Unreal Engine, etc.) I personally won't be doing this verification for my open-source…

Would be a real shame if this also nuked your safetynet trust score if they realize too many people are using this escape hatch...

Re: Google will allow only apps from verified developers to be installed on Android

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Pieces of shit.

I have several own-built apps which I use for different purposes only on my own devices.

Why the fuck should I become a verified developer just to use/install/update them?

I'm already pissed off enough by the fact that I must agree to let them upload and scan my app just to install/update it.

Re: Google will allow only apps from verified developers to be installed on Android

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post #406

If this is a thing then the solution they offer is incorrect. A big giant red screen: “warning the identity of this application developer has not been verified and this could be an application stealing your data, etc” would have worked. What they want is to get rid of apps like YouTube Vanced that are making them lose money (and other Play Store apps)

"Displaying an angry warning message" is one of the tools we've used for decades, and never with much success.

You just have a flawed definition of success.

By allowing people to shoot themselves in the foot after ignoring a unmistakable warning, you are helping teach the foolish to be more careful in the future. Making mistakes is the best way to learn something.

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