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A current major outstanding problem with thinking models is how to get them to think an appropriate amount.

The providers disagree. You pay per token. Verbacious models are the most profitable. Have fun!

For API users, yes, but for the average person with a subscription or using the free tier it’s the inverse.

Re: Open models by OpenAI

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This is really great and a game changer for AI. Thank you OpenAI. I would have appreciated an even more permissive license like BSD or MIT but Apache 2.O is sufficient. I'm wondering if we can utilize transfer learning and what counts as derivative work. Altogether, this is still open source, and a solid commitment to openness. I am hoping this changes Zuck's calculus about closing up Meta's next generation Llama models.

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The lede is being missed imo. gpt-oss:20b is a top ten model (on MMLU (right behind Gemini-2.5-Pro) and I just ran it locally on my Macbook Air M3 from last year. I've been experimenting with a lot of local models, both on my laptop and on my phone (Pixel 9 Pro), and I figured we'd be here in a year or two. But no, we're here today. A basically frontier model, running for the cost of electricity (free with a rounding…

on your phone?

Re: Open models by OpenAI

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Model cards, for the people interested in the guts: https://cdn.openai.com/pdf/419b6906-9da6-406c-a19d-1bb078ac7... In my mind, I’m comparing the model architecture they describe to what the leading open-weights models (Deepseek, Qwen, GLM, Kimi) have been doing. Honestly, it just seems “ok” at a technical level: - both models use standard Grouped-Query Attention (64 query heads, 8 KV heads). The card talks about how…

I don't know how to ask this without being direct and dumb: Where do I get a layman's introduction to LLMs that could work me up to understanding every term and concept you just discussed? Either specific videos, or if nothing else, a reliable Youtube channel?

Ask Gemini. Give it a link here in fact.

Re: Open models by OpenAI

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Here's a pair of quick sanity check questions I've been asking LLMs: "家系ラーメンについて教えて", "カレーの作り方教えて". It's a silly test but surprisingly many fails at it - and Chinese models are especially bad with it. The commonalities between models doing okay-ish for these questions seem to be Google-made OR >70b OR straight up commercial(so >200B or whatever). I'd say gpt-oss-20b is in between Qwen3 30B-A3B-2507 and Gemma 3n E4b(w…

What does failing those two questions look like?

I don't really know Japanese, so I'm not sure whether I'm missing any nuances in the responses I'm getting...

Re: Open models by OpenAI

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Estimated 1.5 billion vehicles in use across the world. Generous assumptions: a) they're all IC engines requiring 16 liters of water each. b) they are changing that water out once a year That gives 24m cubic meters annual water usage. Estimated ai usage in 2024: 560m cubic meters. Projected water usage from AI in 2027: 4bn cubic meters at the low end.

what does water usage mean? is that 4bn cubic meters of water permanently out of circulation somehow? is the water corrupted with chemicals or destroyed or displaced into the atmosphere to become rain?

The water is used to sink heat and then instead of cooling it back down they evaporate it, which provides more cooling. So the answer is 'it eventually becomes rain'.

Re: Open models by OpenAI

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if you're going to get that kind of hardware, you need a larger case. IMHO this is not an unreasonable thing if you are doing heavy computing

Noted for my next build - I am aware this is a problem I've made for myself, otherwise I like the mini-ITX form factor a lot

Which do you like more OOM for local AI, or an itty bit case?

Re: Open models by OpenAI

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A current major outstanding problem with thinking models is how to get them to think an appropriate amount.

The providers disagree. You pay per token. Verbacious models are the most profitable. Have fun!

Nowadays it must be pretty large % of usage going through monthly subscriptions
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