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Job-seekers are dodging AI interviewers

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Post by gchamonlive »

9rx wrote: post #506
gchamonlive wrote: post #483

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Because "But if I don't need anything from you — because, say, magical AIs are already giving me everything I could ever hope and dream of — I have no reason to become indebted to you" and "With no need for someone else to do something for him, there is no need for him to sell to anyone else" implies that consumption is purely transactional which I argued against. In other words, AI can't ever give you everything you…

> AI can't ever give you everything you need and hope for. And magic isn't real. Perhaps the problem isn't that you are reading a comment in isolation, but rather that you aren't reading them at all?

I could say the same for you.

Seriously though, I don't know what you are thinking when you say "Are you aimlessly reading comments in strict isolation?". I don't know what's unclear and what I should expand. If you treat everyone this way there is no way people will talk to you or take you seriously.

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Post by throwawayoldie »

QuercusMax wrote: post #546
munificent wrote: post #496

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A group of people who all agree that life is not a zero-sum game and cooperate effectively based on that premise will be very efficient, productive, and outcompete other groups. They are also a honeypot begging to be exploited by bad actors for whom life is a zero-sum game. Once a critical mass of those asshats show up, all of the trust that led to the greater efficiency and productivity breaks down. Greater trust be…

Basically: assholes ruin things for everyone.

I think you just wrote the epitaph for the human race.

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Post by Seattle3503 »

gwbas1c wrote: post #430
zhyder wrote: post #411

AI interviews don't make sense when it's each company making the candidate do separate interviews, coz the company isn't spending any human time (no skin in the game) and can easily abuse candidates' time. I think it'd make sense tho if there were shared interviews, e.g. candidate does just one interview for all backend SWE roles (or all SWE roles that use AWS EC2 and Dynamo, or whatever further specialization)... an…

Some industries already do this. It's best to learn from other industries in this case. Engineers need to get a license. (IE, you need a license to design a dam.) For doctors, not only do they need to get a license, in medical school, they go through a matching process that's very efficient: https://med.stanford.edu/news/insights/2024/03/match-day-med...

The AMA is one of the most succesful unions ever. At what point are we re-inventing unions?

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Post by aDyslecticCrow »

kccqzy wrote: post #507
elAhmo wrote: post #467

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Those people should be filtered by CV screening, maybe some sort of email exchange before with a few questions to answer to 'ensure' human wants to invest some time in the interview process, rather than just spray and pray.

CV screening doesn't do much. They exaggerate and lie. My current employer has recently started to direct applicants to an online coding exercise. Like leetcode but easier, just to prove they can write code.

I did one of those when applying to my current job which adjusted based on how well you did. But it leaned quite hard into theory and details rather than writing code. Bitwise logic puzzles that would be hard to solve without being schooled in c or find that kind of puzzles fun.

I got things like inverting signed values 2-complement form, or bit shifting a float, or casting structs to arrays and poking at the bytes.

After starting i asked them if they had checked with AI, and they had apparently tested the quiz and it scored quite bad, so it was a good filter. (even if a-lot of the questions leaned more into puzzle solving than coding or design)

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Post by throwawayoldie »

lucraft wrote: post #513
elAhmo wrote: post #467

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Those people should be filtered by CV screening, maybe some sort of email exchange before with a few questions to answer to 'ensure' human wants to invest some time in the interview process, rather than just spray and pray.

To an extent I think would be surprising to anyone who hasn’t done interviews, all developer CVs below about Staff level are the same . Everyone’s architected a system, handled communication with stakeholders, contributed to technical direction of the team, mentored other developers, etc etc

I mean...that's what the job is.

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Post by bluecalm »

mingus88 wrote: post #274
shermantanktop wrote: post #193

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It surprises me that the monied elite seem to have so little awareness of what happens when they keep winning.

I’m not that surprised. To reach the level of billionaire, it’s pretty much a requirement that you abandon all empathy and ethics. What’s surprising is that nobody in their circle has educated them on the concept of a win-win. These people could be folk heros, universally loved and respected in ways buying a social media platform and banning all the haters will never accomplish.

What about a guy who made a popular Java game in his spare time and sold it to Microsoft for 2 billion? What in that process required forgoing empathy and ethics?

That's just one example. There are plenty of rich people who got there fairly and created a lot of value along the way.

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Post by franktankbank »

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #552
franktankbank wrote: post #519

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You are giving advice to some of the dumbest people in the country. I'm not saying its bad advice, but these people are universally stupid. I don't know exactly why things ended up this way, but I'd love to hear where this isn't a truth.

Try and convince me that HR departments aren’t majority jobs programs for the less intellectually fortunate. It would be an uphill battle.

You:Me Preacher:Choir

I actually have much more negative thoughts than that, but I'm told we should assume they are stupid rather than malicious.

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Post by jg0r3 »

vkou wrote: post #558
econnors wrote: post #548

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"Can you clarify what you mean by interface?" is the right answer

So far, in my experience, that kind of clarification question is highly correlated to be followed by a firehose of bullshit. But I keep an open mind, and am always ready to be pleasantly surprised.

It really depends what your industry is. I've been writing some printer drivers for custom hardware + windows applications at work. Much of the technical jargon I've been learning during development involve things like "driver interfaces" and "communication interfaces".

Depending on how recently I'd been working on our printer drivers I also would likely need clarification. Now if the job is "frontend developer" I agree, someone needing to clarify if you're talking about a user interface or communication layer interface is probably a bad sign.

But if it's a looser role I'd definitely look to clarify the question!

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