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A.I. researchers are negotiating $250M pay packages

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> What was novel about the smart phone - really it's defining characteristic, was it wasn't a primarily single purpose device like a PDA, or phone, or MP-3 player/iPod, or camera, or handheld web browser, but rather a universal hand held computer/communications device, and one whose functionality was not limited to what you got out of the box. I used a Palm PDA back in the pre-iPhone days. Its functionality was not "…

You're completely discounting quality of execution, which in this case is everything. It's the whole ballgame. I had friends who were Palm Treo die-hards, and they dropped them unceremoniously in 2008 when they used an iPhone for the first time. They were already used to carrying around a phone that could do email and access the internet. But the qualitative jump to the iPhone was so big that it upended the industry…

> You're completely discounting quality of execution, which in this case is everything. It's the whole ballgame.

Yes, the iPhone excelled on so many levels, from the hardware level sleek design, screen (game changer really - high resolution color, with multi-point touch support), camera, but also all of the individual functionalities. This wasn't an incremental advance or a case of adding one or two new capabilities to what a Palm could do - this was next-level across the board.

The design of iOS, including the gesture/touch based UI, and level of performance was also key, and it took Android a LONG time to catch up. Microsoft made a misguided attempt with Windows Phone, and others like Nokia and Palm were just left in the dust. We did get Qt from Nokia as a side effect, which was a plus!

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Yeah man, that’s not fucking good.

no it's capitalism at it's finest. We get less violent because AI research pays more than murder, so more people focus on being good AI researchers than good killers, and the world is happier for it.

That's not at all how anything works.

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I think you are under a misconception as to how this work. Let's say Meta wants to give this person 100M in stock, they don't have to buy 100M worth of stock when the option vests. What they do is, go into their accounting software and look at how many shares they have, let's call this amount X. And they will increase the total number of shares from X to X+Y where Y is worth 100M at current valuation. They never need…

This is plain wrong AFAIK. You can't just print Y stock on a whim because that would dilute shareholders.

Well, I was wrong. Turns out that's exactly how Facebook pays workers.

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> Wouldn't you yearn for any more impact given how much that amount of resource could improve the lives of many, if used wisely? Cynical take: increasing Meta's stock value does improve the lifes of many - the many stock holders. Thus: when you talk about improving lifes, you better specify which group you are targeting, and why you selected this particular group.

I am interested in improving the lives of the many people who cannot afford to be stockholders The reason I'm interested in this is twofold First, I think the current system is exploitative. I don't advocate for communism or anything, but the current system of extracting value from the lower class is disgusting Second, they outnumber the successful people by a vast margin and I don't want them to have a reason to re-…

> they outnumber the successful people by a vast margin

you can be successful and lower class.

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This is the result of the winner-take-all (most) economy. If the very best LLM is 1.5x as good as good as the next-best, then pretty much everyone in the world will want to use the best one. That means billions of dollars of profit hang in the balance, so companies want to make sure they get the very best people (even if they have to pay hundreds of millions to get it). It's the same reason that sports stars, musicia…

I don't think AI will be a winner-take-all scenario. If that is to happen, I think the following assumptions must hold: 1) The winner immediately becomes a monopoly 2) All investments are directed from competitors, to the winner 3) Research on AGI/ASI ceases I don't see how any of these would be viable. Right now there's an incremental model arms race, with no companies holding a secret sauce so powerful that they're…

The problem is models are decaying at incredible speed and being the leader today has limited guarantee you’ll be it tomorrow.

OpenAI has a limited protective moat because ChatGPT is synonymous with generative AI at the moment, but that isn’t any more baked in than MySpace (certainly not in the league of Twitter or Facebook).

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> he with his several teams, actually made electric cars a market wide reality Electric cars? That would be Martin Eberhard and Marc Tarpenning, Tesla’s actual founders. They created the Roadster and brought the vision. Musk came in with money, staged a hostile takeover, and then rewrote the company’s history to fit his inflated ego, like the sad little man he is. It's honestly cringe. > cheap orbit rockets and with…

Little of what you mention was evident before 2014.

> Little of what you mention was evident before 2014.

I was responding to a parent that said "since that time."

Even if I had not been, it just serves to validate that with each passing year I have been given only more reasosn to think the things I did in 2014, today.

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Why not have the best person get all the money?

If he provides a good service he probably deserves it. Your next question is probably either “if one person has all the money, who has money remaining to spend” or “inequality is bad” (if you have given it more thought). To either question the answer is: current monetary system doesn’t allow this to happen and inequality is okay as long as the floor is increasing for everyone (to an extent). Zucc giving 1B to a relat…

Yes, but I don't think that one guy getting a billion dollars increases the floor.

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Little of what you mention was evident before 2014.

> Little of what you mention was evident before 2014. I was responding to a parent that said "since that time." Even if I had not been, it just serves to validate that with each passing year I have been given only more reasosn to think the things I did in 2014, today.

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If he provides a good service he probably deserves it. Your next question is probably either “if one person has all the money, who has money remaining to spend” or “inequality is bad” (if you have given it more thought). To either question the answer is: current monetary system doesn’t allow this to happen and inequality is okay as long as the floor is increasing for everyone (to an extent). Zucc giving 1B to a relat…

Yes, but I don't think that one guy getting a billion dollars increases the floor.

it is part of the mechanism that increases the floor. the existence of Meta, Apple and Amazon led to billionaires but were crucial to increasing the floor.

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No because more than half of open router is character chat and writing ad copies… so it’s not indicative of the important use cases

The top 3 apps are Kilo Code, Roo Code, and Cline. These are all coding assistants. While they can be turned into waifus they're not intended as such.

Now do aggregations across all apps not just top 3
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