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We may not like what we become if A.I. solves loneliness

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Re: We may not like what we become if A.I. solves loneliness

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Post by jama211 »

spencerflem wrote: post #360
Nathanba wrote: post #335

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Real humans are also fake and they are also traps who are waiting to catch you when you say something they don't like. Then they also use every word and piece of information as ammunition against you, ironically sort of similar to the criticism always levied against online platforms who track you and what you say. AI robots are going to easily replace real humans because compared to most real humans the AI is already…

This comment makes me so sad- I mean this genuinely, looking at your comment history its clear you've fallen into the far right rabbit hole, and this is what "catch you when you say something they don't like" means. No shade to you, there are hundred billion dollar campaigns waged to trap people in ideas like those that are designed to be isolating. But their goal is to push you away from friends and family and towar…

Well said

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Post by habinero »

bebeskids wrote: post #549
smith7018 wrote: post #455

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That 39 year old woman anecdote is a strange addition. I know many 20-to-30-somethings that know how to cook. It's far too expensive to constantly eat out nowadays so people know how to provide for themselves in other ways. It sounds like you met a woman that didn't know how to cook and extrapolated that experience into thinking society is over and we're all helpless.

You took "a 39 year old" and felt targeted. Where there's one there's more, it doesn't need to be all to be statistically significant. Society collapses when the capable are helpless. There's no bandwidth to help the actual needy when enough of the normies need caretaking too. Old puritans in government and corporate would just lop off the tail but that's actual people who mean something to their useful people.

That's a lot of doom around a potato.

Re: We may not like what we become if A.I. solves loneliness

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Post by jama211 »

Nathanba wrote: post #335
egypturnash wrote: post #295

It's not going to solve loneliness. It's just going to provide a weak substitute for actual socialization. Talking with actual humans but only over the internet is not enough, I have been there and it was a terrible trap, it provided just enough to make it possible for me to avoid physical socialization, while not giving me enough to actually thrive; we need to get out and be in the same place with other people, doin…

Real humans are also fake and they are also traps who are waiting to catch you when you say something they don't like. Then they also use every word and piece of information as ammunition against you, ironically sort of similar to the criticism always levied against online platforms who track you and what you say. AI robots are going to easily replace real humans because compared to most real humans the AI is already…

This is a fairly unhinged take my friend.

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Post by bitexploder »

mlinhares wrote: post #544
socalgal2 wrote: post #353

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This doesn't match my experience. In fact one thing I noticed living in Japan is how much more willing people are to spend money to meet up. Lots of events costs 3000-7000 yen. Clubs and bar have a cover charge. People will organize parties where they rent a bar and tell their friends it's 4000 yen each (about $27 currently but was closer to $40) in the past. They'll even have house parties and tell everyone to pitch…

I think a lot of this conversation is centered in the US, most other countries haven't been through a suburbanization at the rate and size the US has gone through. It is very easy for you to be disconnected from reality living in the suburbs in florida (where I live, for instance) than it is to do the same in a city like Barcelona or São Paulo. I don't know of any other country were living in the burbs is desirable,…

Not to pick nits but what is “reality”? How do suburbs disconnect one from it?

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Post by trinix912 »

HPsquared wrote: post #394
RugnirViking wrote: post #386

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where is it illegal in Europe? I've not encountered this yet and I've lived here my whole life. It's always struck me as a weird puritanical American thing Looked online and found maps suggesting eastern Europe has more laws relating to it, although many of them in practice don't apply

Nordics, Eastern parts (except Czechia), even many parts of the UK have byelaws (e.g. Glasgow). Illegal in Russia and Ukraine too.

> Eastern parts (except Czechia)

Which "eastern parts"? I've never seen that rule here, but have seen people drinking in public. Do you know that or are you just asking AI to confirm your biases?

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Post by teaearlgraycold »

Nathanba wrote: post #335
egypturnash wrote: post #295

It's not going to solve loneliness. It's just going to provide a weak substitute for actual socialization. Talking with actual humans but only over the internet is not enough, I have been there and it was a terrible trap, it provided just enough to make it possible for me to avoid physical socialization, while not giving me enough to actually thrive; we need to get out and be in the same place with other people, doin…

Real humans are also fake and they are also traps who are waiting to catch you when you say something they don't like. Then they also use every word and piece of information as ammunition against you, ironically sort of similar to the criticism always levied against online platforms who track you and what you say. AI robots are going to easily replace real humans because compared to most real humans the AI is already…

Maybe talk with a therapist

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Post by HaZeust »

mgraczyk wrote: post #530
HaZeust wrote: post #524

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>"First, young people make a lot more than they did 10 years ago (both nominally and inflation adjusted)." I need a source on this, like [1], and I need you to also share the cost-of-living average increases, which PLAINLY show that despite wages increasing, the increasing costs for goods and services within that same time period have outpaced wage increase percentages [2][3]. And don't be a typical HN-crowder and sa…

Any source will do, here is the Atlanta fed https://www.atlantafed.org/chcs/wage-growth-tracker Click "age" Then compare to price levels. Wages have outpaced price levels for this age group significantly Here's men 16-24 showing 20% increase after CPI adjustment https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LEU0252882200Q EDIT: the data you shared is not specific to "young people", that's why it's different. While everyone's wa…

Rent, household items, cost of external activities, and health insurance (sometimes, see parents' insurance plans) are still subject to that group - which my sources show clear outpacing for - even with youth's increase in wages.

For someone that lives with their parents and works full time, yeah - they've probably never had it better. But a lot of youth right now have expenses drawn out in such a way where, even if they're making more than their predecessors, they have less upwards mobility for today, let alone any potential to invest in assets that afford them any upwards mobility in the future.

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Post by trinix912 »

HPsquared wrote: post #325
janderson215 wrote: post #312

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Which in itself is a crime, IMO.

Most places do have a few dedicated areas like beer gardens. No supermarket beer allowed, of course.

So it's not true freedom for everyone; you're just staying at someone's place so the local rules of public space don't apply there.

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Post by mlinhares »

bitexploder wrote: post #564
mlinhares wrote: post #544

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think a lot of this conversation is centered in the US, most other countries haven't been through a suburbanization at the rate and size the US has gone through. It is very easy for you to be disconnected from reality living in the suburbs in florida (where I live, for instance) than it is to do the same in a city like Barcelona or São Paulo. I don't know of any other country were living in the burbs is desirable,…

Not to pick nits but what is “reality”? How do suburbs disconnect one from it?

You drive everywhere, so it's optimized for drive-through experiences, so you don't have to interact with people. Third places are hard to find, and when they exist, they're paid (movie theaters, restaurants, bars, museums, gyms) and they're not necessarily good places to make friends.

There aren't natural places where you see the same people as the communities are very dispersed, with mostly single-family homes in large lots. So it takes a lot of effort not to be lonely. I've seen many people that moved here from other states/countries and now regret the decision as building community is incredibly hard.

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Post by waaaaaaaaahhhh »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #404
marcosdumay wrote: post #356

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> I complained that I think it's sad that a lot of young people don't just see "going over to friends' houses to hang out" as a primary option Young people don't have space on their houses.

Again, I have to chuckle when I hear these excuses. When I was young in mid 90s we would all pile in to someone's 400 square foot studio apartment. I'm not blaming young people today for not seeing this as an option. But it is the case that lots of folks have/had a lot less space and didn't see that as any barrier to hanging out.

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