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Re: 6 weeks of Claude Code

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Post by shortrounddev2 »

exe34 wrote: post #456
shortrounddev2 wrote: post #421

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If my boss came to me and said "hey we're going to start vibe coding everything st work from now on. You can manually edit code but claude code needs to be your primary driver from now on" I would quit and find a new career. I enjoy coding. I like solving puzzles using the specifics of a language syntax. I write libraries and APIs and I put a great deal of effort into making sure the interface is usable by a human be…

By the time it works flawlessly, it won't be your career anymore, it'll be the product manager's. They will describe what they want and the AI will produce it. You won't be told to "use Claude all the time". I personally hate coding, but it's a means to an end, and I care about the end. I'm also paranoid about code I don't understand, so I only rarely use AI and even then it's either for things I understand 100% or t…

This is the core of the issue. You hate coding, and I love it. I chose to be a software engineer not because I like using software, but because I like writing software.

If we get to a point where the engineers are replaced by machines, I would hope that the project managers were replaced years before that, as a final act of revenge

Re: 6 weeks of Claude Code

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Post by throw234234234 »

satyrun wrote: post #479
akra wrote: post #341

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The question is not whether you can or can't, but whether it is still worth it long term: - There is a moat of doing so (i.e. will people actually pay for your SaaS knowing that they could do it too via AI) and.. - How many large scale ideas do you need post AI? Many SaaS products are subscription based and loaded with features you don't need. Most people would prefer a simple product that just does what they need wi…

It seems obvious to me it is the consumer who will benefit most. I had been thinking of buying an $80 license for a piece of software but ended up knocking off a version in Claude Code over a weekend. It is not even close to something commercial grade that I could sell as a competitor but it is good enough for me to not spend $80 on the license. The huge upside is that I can customize the software in any way I like.…

This has a lot of future implications for employment in tech of course, architecture/design decisions, etc. Why would a non-tech company use a SaaS when it just AI up something and have 1-2 engineers on the build accountable? Its a lot cheaper and amortisable over many products saving some companies millions. Not just tech implementors but sales staff would be disrupted. Especially when the SaaS is implementing a standard or requires significant customisation anyway. Buy vs build, product vs implementation, it should all change soon - the silver lining in all of this.

Re: 6 weeks of Claude Code

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Post by awesome_dude »

shortrounddev2 wrote: post #560
awesome_dude wrote: post #543

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I've been thinking about this - you're right that LLMs are not going to be deterministic (AIUI) when it comes to producing code to solve a problem. BUT neither are humans, if you give two different humans the same task, then, unless they copy one another, then you will get two different results. Further, as those humans evolve through their career, the code that they produce will also change. Now, I do want to point…

> BUT neither are humans, if you give two different humans the same task, then, unless they copy one another, then you will get two different results. Thats true, but giving a human a task isn't coding - its project management

First, it's not "project management" - it's delegation

Secondly, and this is far more important, it's telling a machine what you want it to do - in text

Exactly like coding.

Re: 6 weeks of Claude Code

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Post by slig »

minzi wrote: post #523

Is it really that much better than cursor’s agent? I’m hesitant to try because it would be out of pocket and I get cursor for free (work). It’s hard to understand how it could be that different if both are using sonnet under the hood.

Yes, much better. Cursor pays for the tokens and you pay Cursor, so it's within their best interest to minimize the context and the number of requests to Claude.

Re: 6 weeks of Claude Code

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Post by awesome_dude »

shortrounddev2 wrote: post #561
exe34 wrote: post #456

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By the time it works flawlessly, it won't be your career anymore, it'll be the product manager's. They will describe what they want and the AI will produce it. You won't be told to "use Claude all the time". I personally hate coding, but it's a means to an end, and I care about the end. I'm also paranoid about code I don't understand, so I only rarely use AI and even then it's either for things I understand 100% or t…

This is the core of the issue. You hate coding, and I love it. I chose to be a software engineer not because I like using software, but because I like writing software. If we get to a point where the engineers are replaced by machines, I would hope that the project managers were replaced years before that, as a final act of revenge

This argument is fallacious.

I enjoy a lot of things (Software Engineering is one of them) that in NO way determines whether or not AI is coding, nor does it guarantee me a career (just ask all the blacksmiths that disappeared once cars became the mass transport vehicle).

The fact that people are going to (possibly) be able to instruct a computer to do whatever they wish without the need of a four year degree and several years of experience scares you, I get that, but that's not going to have any effect on reality.

Edit: Have a look at all the peoples careers that have ended because software took over.

Re: 6 weeks of Claude Code

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Post by iwontberude »

robbomacrae wrote: post #43
iwontberude wrote: post #2

I stopped writing as much code because of RSI and carpal tunnel but Claude has given me a way to program without pain (perhaps an order of magnitude less pain). As much as I was wanting to reject it, I literally am going to need it to continue my career.

Sorry to hear that and whilst it wasn't my original goal to serve such a use case I wonder if being able to interact with Claude Code via voice will help you? On MacOS it uses free defaults for TTS and ASR but you can BYOK to other providors. https://github.com/robdmac/talkito

I’m going to try it out tonight thank you

Re: 6 weeks of Claude Code

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Post by fourthark »

exfalso wrote: post #545
fourthark wrote: post #526

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You're probably in an obscure niche domain, or asking it to do something creative. Try like upgrading JS package dependencies, or translating between languages, limited tedious things, and you will be surprised how much better it does.

Hmmmm.. I am working in a niche domain (Confidential Computing) and the work is fairly creative, although I wouldn't say I asked it domain-specific things. I didn't ask it to come up with encryption schemes or security protocols, I learned very quickly that it cannot even start on those problems. "Design discussions" were just sycophantic affirmations of whatever I wrote. What I mostly tried were "add this function"…

Oh I've definitely seen that too, even with common front-end stuff.

I think people might be exaggerating how much they are out of the loop. Claude often needs to be guided away from stupid decisions, and it will absolutely delete code in order to "fix" a problem.

Still, it saves me work on tedious stuff, and makes it more pleasant. I wouldn't ask it to do anything I don't understand, unless I don't care about the result.

Re: 6 weeks of Claude Code

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Post by shortrounddev2 »

awesome_dude wrote: post #563
shortrounddev2 wrote: post #560

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> BUT neither are humans, if you give two different humans the same task, then, unless they copy one another, then you will get two different results. Thats true, but giving a human a task isn't coding - its project management

First, it's not "project management" - it's delegation Secondly, and this is far more important, it's telling a machine what you want it to do - in text Exactly like coding.

It would only seem like coding to someone who doesnt code. It is absolutely not the same at all

Re: 6 weeks of Claude Code

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Post by awesome_dude »

shortrounddev2 wrote: post #568
awesome_dude wrote: post #563

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First, it's not "project management" - it's delegation Secondly, and this is far more important, it's telling a machine what you want it to do - in text Exactly like coding.

It would only seem like coding to someone who doesnt code. It is absolutely not the same at all

You keep making these claims as though you are some sort of authority, but nothing you have said has matched reality.

I mean full credit to you with your disingenuous goalpost shifting and appeals to authority, but reality has no time for you (and neither do I anymore).

Re: 6 weeks of Claude Code

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Post by throw10920 »

> I feel like I have a new freedom of expression which is hard to fully articulate

When I hear this, I think of this recently-released study, which showed that LLMs both make coders less productive and convinced that they're more productive:

https://metr.org/blog/2025-07-10-early-2025-ai-experienced-o...

Until there's more research published that shows the opposite effect, I don't think we can really take peoples' squishy feelings like this as faithful to reality.

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