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‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Post by halflife »

pydry wrote: post #556
halflife wrote: post #505

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Many among the Jewish resistance fought nazis and killed civilian collaborators. Im sure the Nazis told all sorts of stories like this one about the Jewish resistance: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_baby_beheading_hoax ...before committing what they considered to be a "provoked" genocide.

Sorry, they only beheaded Thai agriculture workers (they did kill and kidnap babies https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidnapping_and_killing_of_th...). Don’t remember Jews in 1937 doing that.

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Post by cherry_tree »

Liron wrote: post #376
cool_dude85 wrote: post #355

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This happened in the occupied West Bank. What would you like Hamas to do differently there?

I often don't endorse the behavior of Israeli settlers. I'm responding to the question of what Israelis think about the news in general, a question to which I wanted to contribute the context of Israel's precarious existential security as a sovereign Jewish state.

>often don't endorse

So you do not condemn the behavior of the illegal settlements?

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Post by lawlessone »

halflife wrote: post #558
lawlessone wrote: post #542

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There should be. But presumably its harder since most of them were killed. Not sure how the colonization of America justifies other colonization's. Unless you think everyone is owed a 1 free genocide pass?

What are you talking about? the original commenter rejected the idea of a Jewish state because ethno states are bad. I made a counter claim. I’d be happy to live next to a Palestinian country, if it will recognize Israel as a Jewish state, and be a peaceful neighbor. Unfortunately, they reject the idea of 2 states, or they want 2 states where 1 is Palestinian, and the other is paletwith a Jewish minority.

>I’d be happy to live next to a Palestinian country, if it will recognize Israel as a Jewish state,

Not sure i'd be happy to live next to a neighbor illegally occupying my former house.

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Post by fahhem »

actionfromafar wrote: post #519
Adverblessly wrote: post #365

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> Do majority of people support what is happening, if so why? if not, how is the government executing this? If you are asking specifically about the Hilltop Youth, I believe most people understand them to be somewhere between extremists and jewish terrorists and do not support their actions. The government (well, Ben-Gvir) can continue to support them (within limits of plausible deniability) as long as they are in po…

Yeah, that's right. That's why there are no rapists, because our (fictional) cousins would tell us about everyone they raped, but they haven't, so rape does not exist. Everything is fine. BBC is lying. No journalists are allowed in Gaza, because they would only use the opportunity to lie more. Everyone is against us. ... It makes no sense. Yes, antisemitism exists. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Check the ADL's own website, if you remove anti-zionism events (such as protests or watermelon stickers lol) then antisemitism isn't up, it's flat. Don't fall for the "surge in antisemitism" crap, it's pushed by the ADL and friends to make it seem like Jews are at risk right now, too. But they're not, they're fine, the only people seeing a spike in terrorism directed at them are Palestinians and anyone that looks like them. In fact, one of the antisemitism acts the ADL claims is when an Israeli got shot in Florida... by an Israeli who thought he was an Arab!

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Post by fractallyte »

saubeidl wrote: post #68
A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #6

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It's even worse than that. Israel's minister of the security services is ideologically aligned with the terrorists, and has openly supported their causes all his life. A quite unprecedented situation, I think!

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Well, it's more complex than that...

Definitely, the government of Serbia supported (or at the very least, ignored) Serb paramilitaries, which were infamous for carrying out "ethnic cleansing".

On the Croatian side, right-wing paramilitaries were quicker to organize national defense, and were far more effective, than government forces. This led to a rather uncomfortable situation for the government, which was resolved by assassinating the paramilitary leaders (note: I have no citation for this, it's just a strong suspicion), and absorbing their soldiers into the official armed forces.

Bosnia's muslim population had a confused notion of nationalism, which was fully taken advantage of by the Serbs, and to some extent the Croats, to further their ambitions.

I believe that is a more accurate summary of the situation in 1990s Balkans.

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Post by Yeul »

Liron wrote: post #346
swat535 wrote: post #205

Can someone living in Israel help me understand what is going on right now? What does the political climate look like in Israel? Do majority of people support what is happening, if so why? if not, how is the government executing this? Further, has this had any impact on the overall relationship between Jewish people worldwide and those residing in Israel? if so, how? I know that the media is all over the place and it…

Israeli here, can't directly answer your question since I've lived in the US for 99% of my adult life, but I consider myself pro-Israel and resent the way Israel is currently/always being portrayed. I see the key problem as people removing context: Context for why the current situation could easily be different if Hamas acted/acts differently, and context for why there is no "just stop fighting" option that leaves Is…

What is the context? A bunch of religious crazies decide to build a colony on the sovereign territory of another state.

Now unless you ascribe to that religion or believe that your tribe can do no wrong it all seems simple.

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Post by gmueckl »

prepend wrote: post #509
brentm wrote: post #415

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The problem here though is what will ever give Israel confidence that Oct 7 will never happen again? We know that going after terrorists for years and killing them just creates more terrorists (Iraq, Afghanistan). The young children who do not end up dying of starvation will be men in 20 years, still in Gaza with no options to leave and resent Israel who they will consider to be effectively their jailer. The situatio…

> what will ever give Israel confidence that Oct 7 will never happen again? No Hamas in power? Seems like that would give pretty good confidence. This reminds me of alternate history stories where Japan refused to surrender. The US demanded unconditional surrender in WW2. What would have happened if the axis refused. What would have made the allies confident that the war was over without German and Japanese unconditi…

I don't see why the result of a Hamas surrender wouldn't be a new organization with the same goals and methods. A surrender by itself is just a formality. But what is the real plan here? What would realistically come after that and how scary/brutal would it be?

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Post by slt2021 »

tptacek wrote: post #405
adhamsalama wrote: post #45

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Defending? You mean colonizing. And Israel literally did terrorist attacks on Jews in Arab countries to make them flee to the newly occupied land.

Say whatever you will, but it remains the case that a plurality of Israeli Jewish people are of MENA origin --- Iraq, Yemen, Morocco, Tunisia.

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Post by ivan_gammel »

7952 wrote: post #543
bigyabai wrote: post #353

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> why there is no "just stop fighting" option I don't recall many people ever seriously asking for that, though I admit I'm not up-to-date on Israeli affairs. Don't the overwhelming majority of outsiders want a two-state solution, or failing that a more secular Israeli administration? Through a lens of historical context and not just Oct 7th, it's hard for me to believe that Israelis don't know how to attain regional…

But reading between the lines there are not many plausible end states. Its a choice between a return to a status quo where Israel has defended borders. Or a removal of Palestinians from the territory. I think most people in the international community would prefer the former even when they don't come out and say it. And that may reasonably be safer and better for Israeli civilians.

There is always possibility of foreign intervention with security guarantees for Israel. Apparently this is already on the table now.

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20250729-qatar-saudi-e...

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Post by tome »

SadTrombone wrote: post #552
tome wrote: post #493

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It's indeed collective. Are you certain it's a punishment ?

Playing this corny HN-brained faux-debate game when Israel is blocking hundreds of aid trucks from entering Gaza and letting children starve to death is in really bad taste.

It's not "faux". I mean it genuinely. It's one thing to claim that Israel should ensure food security (that's my point of view). It's quite another to claim "collective punishment", and that doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

By the way, there are hundreds of trucks on the Gaza side of the border, the opposite of blocked, let through by Israel, but the UN refuses to collect them and distribute them: https://x.com/Ostrov_A/article/1950577195153580306

It's impressive how thoroughly Hamas has won the information war when they have made it so heart-wrenchingly emotive that presenting any alternative view point is "bad taste" (at best, it can also be much worse).

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