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America’s incarceration rate is in decline

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Post by pc86 »

marcus_holmes wrote: post #534
pc86 wrote: post #360

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Is "inheritance" used in a different way here similar to how "award" is, or are you saying you often need to inherit money from your family in order to be able to buy a house in Australia?

No, it's used in the same way as elsewhere in the Anglosphere. And yes, as in the rest of the Anglosphere, generally you need an inheritance to be able to afford to buy property.

"in the high cost of living areas" is the rest of that sentence.

It is perfectly doable, even common, to buy a home in low and medium COL areas without any assistance from family, living or dead. The fact that you can't do this in NYC or SF is not an indictment of anything other than NYC and SF.

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Post by pc86 »

Spooky23 wrote: post #445
pc86 wrote: post #357

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No reasonable person considered high school advanced education in the 70's let alone 2000. If 85%+ of people get it for half a century, it is by definition not advanced. https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Grad-ra...

Whoops, that was a typo, i meant 1900 :)

I don't know the 1900 stats but I bet in that case you're right :)

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Post by dcow »

quickthrowman wrote: post #438
wizee wrote: post #248

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People supported families with single incomes with less than high school education for centuries before the 1950s.

No they didn’t, read some history. ‘Cottage industry’ and ‘child labor’ are good search terms to use.

Children helped support their families, I don’t see the face value problem with that. The fact remains that humans have been having kids in their teens and 20s for millennia, until very recently in western liberal societies.

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Post by leptons »

jrflowers wrote: post #553
leptons wrote: post #533

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Nice try moving goalposts, but the data I showed correlates reduction in RAPE with availability of porn, nothing more, nothing less. You can also say that people dying in car accidents reduced during the same time, and seatbelt laws enacted during that time would be the cause. Nothing you've provided disproves that access to porn has no effect on rape. You've only moved goalposts. But sure, let's ban all porn and wat…

>Nice try moving goalposts Uh, yep? I absolutely did that. Your goalposts were in a crazy place. If your goalposts are “rape has to be a special type of violent crime even though rapists frequently (kind of by definition) commit other violent crimes” then yes, I moved them to where pretty much everyone else has them: among other heinous, violent crimes that share the same downward trend over the same period of time.…

You've proven nothing here except that you are willing to move goalposts to try win pointless internet arguments. Congrats on that!

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Post by dcow »

mschuster91 wrote: post #552
fc417fc802 wrote: post #513

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You're inventing sexism where there isn't any. The men who expect their wives to work 40+ hour weeks are not (at least as a group) the ones dumping all housework and childcare on them. The time constraints that come with a dual income certainly make the logistics of having children more difficult though.

> The men who expect their wives to work 40+ hour weeks are not (at least as a group) the ones dumping all housework and childcare on them. I'm not talking about men, I'm talking about society itself . Try renting a family home on a single income in any moderate popular area. Owning a home is outright out of reach for even more people.

Yes I agree the dual income expectation is super backwards when it comes to raising a family. First your income isn't enough to have a family unless you’re earning in the top 5%. Second, as you point out, managing a home and a property takes time and effort, much more than just a few hours a week. Add kids in the mix and unless you have full time childcare it’s not feasible. You pretty much have to sacrifice one of the two incomes paying for labor you can otherwise do yourself. I understand the social reason we moved toward dual income but there’s still a lot to iron out. It’s a whole lot easier to have a family if society could figure out a way to support the homemaker during childrearing years—some of us actually want to raise our own kids. And we need to figure out how to make life accessible to single income situations. Inevitably since dual income has become an expectation the markets have adjusted to that reality which leaves single income households short.

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Post by dcow »

itslennysfault wrote: post #479
dcow wrote: post #219

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We may have swung the pendulum a little too far towards deliberate, though. The birthrate right now is below replacement rate, meaning that if we keep going like this (even if the birthrate doesn't keep trending down and holds steady) that society will die off. We need to figure out how to build an economy and society that can facilitate deliberate responsible parentage younger and more often. Luckily we have generat…

> ...society will die off. *capitalist society will die off. ( ) See also: automation, ai, robots.... we probably don't need as many people / are headed for work shortages anyway.

And that may well be the ultimate resolution (that individual-liberty-preserving capitalist societies with unrestricted access to contraception die off). However, if we like how life works right now then we’ll have to work to sustain it. There’s probably a capitalism-preserving way to incentivize children…

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Post by positr0n »

amanaplanacanal wrote: post #168
Swizec wrote: post #120

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> In the bay area, most of the mothers I've met were around that age, and my friends are having their kids at the same age San Francisco has the highest rate of geriatric pregnancies in USA. We are in a statistical bubble where having kids late is normal (because careers and hcol). https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/mother-birth-age...

Bubble implies that it's going to burst. I don't see it. Women aren't going to stop wanting careers, and HCOL is coming for everybody. I expect the whole country to join SF in this "bubble".

Bubble: used to refer to a situation (esp. good or fortunate) that is isolated from reality or unlikely to last.

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Post by EasyMark »

snarf21 wrote: post #368
philipallstar wrote: post #321

Incarceration isn't the same thing as crime. If the most populous state by far (California, almost 40m people in 2025) passes a law[0] that stealing things under $950 is a misdemeanor rather than a felony, then crime can continue while incarceration rates drop. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_California_Proposition_47

This is a very one sided presentation of the facts. This fact is generally used to suggest that theft is all a liberal blue state issue. The highest felony theft amount in the US is in red Texas and is $2500. Around 40 states have a *HIGHER* felony $ limit for theft than California. If you think about it, it makes a lot of sense to not spend $10K+ to jail someone for stealing $500 of stuff. There are more cost effect…

I thought the biggest issue was that DA's simply won't prosecute for these if they're nonviolent crimes, opting to drop the case? Austin, TX has a similar DA who refuses in much the same way.

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Post by watwut »

PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #530
jimbokun wrote: post #480

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Implied by "single income". In reality in most families all family members were contributing something to the household income.

Income in this context means trading labor for cash. In the past, huge amounts of household work were done without any such exchange. Today, child raising, cleaning, cooking, provisioning, and more remain unpaid household labor. The people who do that work were not idle 800 years ago, and they are not idle today.

Women and kids would tend to animals and food came directly from the animals. They both would tend the fields when work did not required physical strength - and thre was plenty of such work too. The crafts women did were for sale or trade. They would also sell on the market whatever excess household produced.

If we are talking about "centuries" quite a lot of people including men did not worked as in being employed for salary. But their work was economical - necessarily so.

Being stay at home mom today is mostly battling boredom and demotivation. Or then, making up things to do. It is not the same as milking cows or making cheese.

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fredfish wrote: post #481

An interesting and upbeat article.. But the death rate from overdose went from 9 to 32 per 100000 in the last 2 decades. Using their entrance logic, if I understand what this means afa per annum, couldn't that amount to a few hundred per 100000 who are not cycling into long prison terms because they are dead? There's been something like 900k excess deaths since 1968 compared to if the rate was just flat since then. T…

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