Earlier quoted context omitted.
Give the U.S. ten years and "clientelism" will have become a household word.
I thought "lobbying" is already a household word :)
I don't think lobbying implies your rep having a bedroom in White House.
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Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule
#562This is reasonably close to a continuation of what the Biden administration did.
Though they did it with tax credits not tariffs. To get the tax break you had to buy a car made in America. (Which pissed off car makers outside the US)
If I understand the below from NPR, then few electric cars qualified back then as wel, and one of the few was Tesla Model Y
"As of May 3, 2024, eligible vehicles include the best-selling Tesla Model Y, the budget-friendly Chevrolet Bolt (which is no longer in production, but can still be found on some dealer lots), the Volkswagen ID.4 "
https://www.npr.org/2023/12/28/1219158071/ev-electric-vehicl...
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#563Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule
#564Earlier quoted context omitted.
There's a much more informative article here. [1] It's by value. And it's not just domestic only but USMCA (US-Mexico-Canada). And the tariffs are seemingly prorated by percent 'domestic' (their example math is nonsensical, but I think that was just a math fail on the writer's part) with numerous relief and rebate options available to help ease in the transition period for various auto manufacturers. GM, Ford, and ot…
> GM, Ford, and other companies have chimed in positively. Given how Amazon tried to start showing the cost of the tariffs on their site, Trump publicly threatened them, and they backed down with hours, I’m not so sure I read too much into anyone praising the policies of this government as it’s clear that companies are erring on the side of staying on this governments good graces publicly regardless of personal opini…
Wouldn't that be actually good thing for supporting local manufacturing and local buying, if customers could easily see which products are expensive because they are imported and which ones are expensive because they are locally made ?
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#565Earlier quoted context omitted.
Whatever the answer is, there is probably a lot of space for gaming that number. Once a metric becomes a target...
Why would Tesla bother to game it, when Musk has Trump on speed dial?
I don’t think business leaders generally respond to chaos like the rest of us: wait and see, and maybe some light prep work. Unless everyone else starts panicking most people won’t.
This administration is governing by executive action congruent with the pacing of news cycles. Nobody knows what will happen tomorrow, which makes it futile to make long term plans. No?
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#566Earlier quoted context omitted.
Most of these examples are good ones, but this one actually isn’t. I don’t know what part of the country you’re from, but in the south violence against the government is treated as distinct from violence against fellow citizens. I don’t want to debate the substance of the view, I’m just pointing out that it’s not actually contradictory like you’re implying. I grew up in virginia when it was a red state, my first reac…
> in the south violence against the government is treated as distinct from violence against fellow citizens From what I see and know, among conservative supporters violence against police is strongly condemned and to be harshly punished, as is any form of protest that is arguably the slightest bit disruptive. > chiefly concerned with protecting the majority from the government. In fact, by their actions, they make th…
> as is any form of protest that is arguably the slightest bit disruptive.
Unless it's the Jan 6th protesters.
Or the so-called "trucker convoy" across the border up here in Canada. (Convinced half the new-found hostility to us comes from this incident somehow getting on the radar of people who normally barely acknowledge Canada as existing)
In the end it's very much tribal, and little to do with the substance of issues and more to do with perceived teams.
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#567Earlier quoted context omitted.
Exactly, corruption is legal. Only your competitors will be fined.
Give the U.S. ten years and "clientelism" will have become a household word.
And perhaps "state capture", which is a term I first heard from South Africans.
Edit: incidentally, only mentioning SA as academics there developed the theory around it, to the best of my knowledge.
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#568Earlier quoted context omitted.
American Manufacturing never left. Total goods manufactured in the US peaked in 2018 and 2019. It dropped during covid but has returned to those levels now. Of course manufacturing jobs left. Replaced by automation. A much smaller number of people are making things. Americans have moved on to Services jobs (many of which are poorly paid) and Knowledge Worker jobs (many of which are highly paid.) Even industries that…
> ...replaced by automation. A much smaller number of people are making things. Some manufacturing was replaced by automation, but most of it was not. The jobs still exist, just not in the US. Worldwide, a much larger number of people are making things. In China, manufacturing jobs account for 29% of total employment, according to UN data reported by Our World in Data. https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/manufacturing…
I used to work in a factory (i was an engineer working upstairs, never on the floor). Employment peaked in the 1950s at just over 2000 humans - today there are just over 200 to make essentially the same output. The lazer cutter replaced 70 humans running saws with 3 to run the machine. The paint system is entirely automated with only off hours maintenance done by humans. And so on.
that is how the us makes more than ever with much small % I in labor.
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#569Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The source is anti-left; of course they are going to give characterizations like that. But I think leftists would share the same premise! They would phrase it differently, they’d say something like: “the founders were white men who wanted to limit government power so the government wouldn’t be powerful enough to do things like end slavery or take their property.” But that’s the same argument. The traditional view i…
> That doesn’t mean you support such oppression, simply that you prioritize other values more highly. Yes it does, in fact. And while people can try to doublespeak and have everyone parsing it out, all that matters is where you end up.
Even if you think that all that matters is “where you end up,” your logic still doesn’t work. Adhering to principles of federalism and limited government also changes other aspects of society, in ways that people might deem desirable.
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#570I didn't see any of this whingeing when Biden was making EV incentives that blatantly excluded Tesla. This is what happens when you go along with lawfare or weaponized government. The canon gets turned around and pointed the other way soon enough.
> I didn't see any of this whingeing when Biden was making EV incentives that blatantly excluded Tesla.
Examples?
Here are the EV incentives that I'm aware of that happened during the Biden administration.
• $7500 tax credit for qualifying vehicles. It only applies to cars below a certain MSRP which disqualified the Tesla Models S and X, but that same limit excluded many other cars from many other companies too. The rest of Tesla's models have many configurations below the MSRP cutoff that did qualify.
There were also rules on battery materials sourcing, which disqualified about 80% of the EVs that were then available in the US. Those did hit some specific trims of the Model 3 for a few months but Tesla was able to switch to using the same batteries that the unaffected Model 3 trims used, restoring the credit.
• The National Electrical Vehicle Infrastructure (NEVI) program, which provided grants for building EV charging infrastructure. Tesla qualified and received considerable money from NEVI grants.
• There were some grants specifically intended to boost EV manufacturing with union workers. Tesla does not have any unionized plants so was de facto excluded.
• There were grants for building a network of EV truck charges. Tesla submitted a project proposal but it was not accepted.
What else was there?