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A $20k American-made electric pickup with no paint, no stereo, no screen

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Re: A $20k American-made electric pickup with no paint, no stereo, no screen

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> $20K still seems to be a high price for a car Keep in mind this price is before the USA federal tax credit. So we're potentially talking about a $12,500 car. And consider inflation.

After federal tax credit, ergo $27K. (Hat tip to @vaidhy: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43794867 )

Well dang.

Re: A $20k American-made electric pickup with no paint, no stereo, no screen

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> Yes, definitely. It being a 2 seater is kind of a deal breaker for families. What you need is not a pickup truck. Catering to families means expensive bells and whistles, like entertainment systems, etc. > Back in the day, we'd stuff 3 kids between two adults, but these days the Safety People would have a heart attack just thinking about that. Rightfully so. Back in the day we did so many things we shouldn't have,…

Station wagons from the prehistoric era were family cars and had bench seats, and only had a Radio…

You had a radio?

Re: A $20k American-made electric pickup with no paint, no stereo, no screen

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Looks like the biggest thing isn’t even mentioned: no telematics control unit to track your behavior. https://www.consumerreports.org/electronics/personal-informa...

> Looks like the biggest thing isn’t even mentioned: no telematics control unit to track your behavior. Is that confirmed? I would buy one *today* if this was known to be true... but I am 80% sure that they don't have any in production; all I see are renders. There will almost certainly be a WiFi radio (for at home OTA updates) but there will likely be a modem, too, for people that like to remotely manage charge. The…

> There will almost certainly be a WiFi radio (for at home OTA updates) but there will likely be a modem, too, for people that like to remotely manage charge.

My 2024 EV doesnt have WiFi or Cellular radios.

Re: A $20k American-made electric pickup with no paint, no stereo, no screen

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Example #5621 that a simple carbon tax would be miles better than the complex morass of regulations we currently have.

That's overly reductive. 1. Poorer people tend to drive older vehicles, so if you solely encourage higher fuel economies by taxing carbon emissions, then the tax is (at least short-term) regressive. 2. You can work around #1 by applying incentives for manufacturers to make more efficient cars should lead any carbon tax 3. If you just reward companies based on fleet-average fuel economy without regard to vehicle size,…

If you want to reduce carbon emissions, if the tax is regressive or not does not matter as long as you tax emissions. If you want to mix too many things, you will not get a good solution for any.

Re: A $20k American-made electric pickup with no paint, no stereo, no screen

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Example #5621 that a simple carbon tax would be miles better than the complex morass of regulations we currently have.

That's overly reductive. 1. Poorer people tend to drive older vehicles, so if you solely encourage higher fuel economies by taxing carbon emissions, then the tax is (at least short-term) regressive. 2. You can work around #1 by applying incentives for manufacturers to make more efficient cars should lead any carbon tax 3. If you just reward companies based on fleet-average fuel economy without regard to vehicle size,…

This.

Re: A $20k American-made electric pickup with no paint, no stereo, no screen

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I think the best way is to tax fuel itself. This way worse mpg result in more tax. Tax diesel more than gasoline, LNG less.

That makes sense, but there would be no incentive to switch to an engine that emits less carbon for the same fuel consumption (if such a thing exists)

By definition, more carbon is less efficiency. Efficiency is about how much of the hydrocarbon you turn into heat. Diesels often burn a little dirty. That's partly because diesel engines don't burn all the fuel

Re: A $20k American-made electric pickup with no paint, no stereo, no screen

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Fine print: The truck in the link is only $20K after government subsidies/rebates. So if the government gives my tax dollars to buyers of this truck, then it will cost $20K.

Even finer print: the $7,500 federal incentive is a tax rebate. If you don't have a $7,500 tax liability, you won't get the full amount. (this also applies if you transfer the credit to the dealer at point of sale). I mean, money is fungible and all, but your particular tax dollars aren't going to people who buy EVs, they are just paying less in taxes.

>this also applies if you transfer the credit to the dealer at point of sale

No, it does not. See Q4 at the following link:

https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/topic-h-frequently-asked-questi...

Re: A $20k American-made electric pickup with no paint, no stereo, no screen

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Yeah, the completely unrealistic timeline, price point, and the fact that the company is only now looking to hire engineers sets off my "fun looking product that will never be available for sale" alarms. I don't think they even have a prototype built yet, everything you see is just a render. They have not even started planning how to start building the factory. The price point is assuming the R&D is already paid off,…

>I don't think they even have a prototype built yet https://insideevs.com/news/757237/slate-ev-spotted-los-angel... https://insideevs.com/news/757649/slate-auto-truck-suv-revea...

> The Autopian's David Tracy climbed underneath and didn't see any powertrain or proper suspension components, indicating this is a non-functional show car.

Re: A $20k American-made electric pickup with no paint, no stereo, no screen

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Why slow-charging? I didn't see anything about that in the article?

120kW charging system, so ~30 minute 20-80% (on a relatively small battery), was what I saw. It's not "wall plug" slow, but it's nowhere near state-of-the-art. The small battery and slow(-ish) charging means it's mostly a run-about and less (relatively) suitable for roadtrips. The American market loves to buy on the most intense use, not the average or minimal - giant pickup trucks because somebody might go to Home D…

120kW charging isnt slow by any reasonable standard, especially for a vehicle with a <60kWh battery.
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