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Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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At this point there’s only really one thing I want from an iPhone and that’s an option for a 12/13 mini sized device again. Surely those phones didn’t sell so few that it’s not worth doing at all?

Based on previous conversations on this topic, I think the issue is that people don't actually prioritise the mini size above all else. In other words whatever size the audience is for a mini phone they are further fragmented into people who want a flagship phone vs mid range phone vs budget phone. And those market segments are too small to make it worth Apple or even most android manufacturers effort.

Exactly. So many people commented on tech sites that they loved the mini sized device but didn’t buy it because they want a pro spec mini. Like there aren’t any trade offs by making the phone smaller. Apple arguably made the best small phone ever made and plenty of supposedly small phone lovers turned their nose up at it. Turns out even they value other things more than the size.

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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> iPhone 16e will be available in white and black in 128GB, 256GB, and 512GB storage capacities, starting at $599 (U.S.) or $24.95 (U.S.) per month for 24 months. Wait a sec. 24 * 24.95 = $598.80 They'll pay you twenty cents to take the financing?

More subscribers/concurrent revenue on their balance sheet to show off, perhaps?

Just more purchases period. If I don't have $500 but I wouldn't think twice about a $25/mo bill I'd be forced to buy an Android if financing wasn't an option.

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

#563

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I am still using my 13 Mini. I got it, because I knew that it would be the last Mini Apple does. I plan to use it, until I need to charge the battery every 15 minutes.

I still use 1st Gen SE with 4 inch screen.

I'm still on iPhone 7+… It gets a new battery every 2-3 years and works great. I love how it has a big screen but feels much smaller and thinner in my pocket than any modern iPhone. I was really looking forward to this new "SE4", but the 7.5W charging and lack of magsafe is a deal breaker for a phone that in my country costs ~900 usd.

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Its been a long slog for Apple, they have been working on this since 2018, and they had to keep extending its supply agreements with Qualcomm... "Inside Apple’s Spectacular Failure to Build a Key Part for Its New iPhones" >The 2018 marching orders from Apple Chief Executive Tim Cook to design and build a modem chip—a part that connects iPhones to wireless carriers—led to the hiring of thousands of engineers. The goal…

Apple managed to design its own state-of-the-art CPUs. I wouldn't have imagined that designing its own modem would be such a difficult challenge?

Their first CPU was launched in 2010, and development likely began in 2006-2007. The M1 launched to much fanfare in 2020.

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Its been a long slog for Apple, they have been working on this since 2018, and they had to keep extending its supply agreements with Qualcomm... "Inside Apple’s Spectacular Failure to Build a Key Part for Its New iPhones" >The 2018 marching orders from Apple Chief Executive Tim Cook to design and build a modem chip—a part that connects iPhones to wireless carriers—led to the hiring of thousands of engineers. The goal…

Apple managed to design its own state-of-the-art CPUs. I wouldn't have imagined that designing its own modem would be such a difficult challenge?

In fairness, Apple started by licensing the ARM core which gave them a base to work from. The modem is fantastically harder unless you can license an existing design that's not qualcomm.

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Apple managed to design its own state-of-the-art CPUs. I wouldn't have imagined that designing its own modem would be such a difficult challenge?

Their CPU is based on ARM IP, it’s not like they designed it from the ground up. The modem they might have had to? Also I guess a big challenge are all the patents you need to be aware of and find ways to license or circumvent, not sure if that’s worse for modems but it seems all wireless / cellular technology is riddled with patents (not saying CPUs aren’t but again ARM is probably taking care of some of that for Ap…

They bought intel’s entire modem unit, so it’s not a ground up design, but maybe that makes it worse… who knows what was causing intel to not be competitive in that space…

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Its been a long slog for Apple, they have been working on this since 2018, and they had to keep extending its supply agreements with Qualcomm... "Inside Apple’s Spectacular Failure to Build a Key Part for Its New iPhones" >The 2018 marching orders from Apple Chief Executive Tim Cook to design and build a modem chip—a part that connects iPhones to wireless carriers—led to the hiring of thousands of engineers. The goal…

Apple managed to design its own state-of-the-art CPUs. I wouldn't have imagined that designing its own modem would be such a difficult challenge?

One difficult I remember reading is: they can't always do things an obvious way someone else did because... patents.

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Now compare it to 1st Gen SE.

Easily the nicest form factor phone they ever produced. You can reach the entire screen with the thumb in one hand without awkwardly flopping the phone onto the thumb in the farthest corner. It is smaller than your wallet. The battery lasted forever because the screen was small and not that bright or nearly so pixel dense. Too bad the management consultants killed such a technology.

There’s no conspiracy. Not enough people like small phones. Apple’s biggest spike happened once they ditched the iPhone 5 size and went to bigger phones with the iPhone 6.

I’m willing to bet it was some people in management that missed the small phones and fought to re-introduce a smaller form factor phone. They succeeded in making the best small phones ever made and rounding down approximately nobody bought them. Blame the general public for killing the form factor.

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