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Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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This was landing in a 30+ mph crosswind in one of the smallest commercial passenger aircraft

I have a lot of hours in the 600/601, don’t know about the RJ, but on the 600 models there is a 24 knot x-wind limitation if using Thrust Reversers.

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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I fly a lot and the only time I've ever thought 'this is it' was one time taking off out of Denver International. The airport is out on the plains east of the city and is known for high winds. We were taking off and nose had just started to lift up when a wind gust cause the entire plane to roll to the left. I could see the wing out my window and am still surprised to this day it didn't touch the ground. The pilot co…

We were once landing on Madeira, one of the most dangerous airports in the world. Even a nice landing there is quite uncomfortable. For some time you fly very close to the ocean, heading straight into the cliffs, and only in the last moment the plane seems to make a right turn to approach the runway. We made a wobbly touchdown, people already wanted to get up, when suddenly the plane was again lifted a few meters and…

(Captain then reaches across the cockpit and smacks the First Officer in the back of the head Three Stooges-style)

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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post #302

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The comment was merely illustrating the concept in general being used on planes, or at least that's how I read it.

Yeah, but the whole point here is that the engines are very specifically designed to break off in a way that preserves the integrity of the wings . The integrity of the wings is a function that supersedes just about every other possible thing on a plane. You can safely land without any engines. You can safely land without hydraulics. You can safely land without gear. Without wings, a plane is a brick.

Indeed. And maneuvering speed V_A is designed such that as long as you don't exceed it, you will stall before breaking the wings off in case of turbulence or full control deflection.

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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Clear view from the plane waiting to take off https://www.reddit.com/r/CatastrophicFailure/comments/1isabt... Which also brings into mind cockpit distractions but its amazing they caught this on video.

Does this pilot record lots of landings? Is this standard procedure?

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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post #302

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The comment was merely illustrating the concept in general being used on planes, or at least that's how I read it.

Yeah, but the whole point here is that the engines are very specifically designed to break off in a way that preserves the integrity of the wings . The integrity of the wings is a function that supersedes just about every other possible thing on a plane. You can safely land without any engines. You can safely land without hydraulics. You can safely land without gear. Without wings, a plane is a brick.

Here’s the bend test video for the Boeing 777: the wings can bend for something like a 45-degreee arc without breaking, so they ran it to breaking. https://www.homemadetools.net/forum/boeing-777-wing-flexibil...

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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Lowkey mad at the lady dragging her hand luggage.

Just for a different point of view, my wife is Type 1 Diabetic - no way she’d be leaving her medical stuff. It’s probably not that, but is possible.

It’s better to be outside the aircraft, alive and without your stuff than inside and dead. You can get insulin in any western city.

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

#567

Clear view from the plane waiting to take off https://www.reddit.com/r/CatastrophicFailure/comments/1isabt... Which also brings into mind cockpit distractions but its amazing they caught this on video.

Does this pilot record lots of landings? Is this standard procedure?

It’s not a procedure but not against the rules assuming his parking brake was on. It would be similar to you taking notes in a personal notebook that you keep as a development journal.

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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Lowkey mad at the lady dragging her hand luggage.

“We don't rise to the level of our expectations, we fall to the level of our training” – Archilochus People like to imagine how they would act in an extreme situation that is unique and beyond anything they have ever experienced before. But the reality is people do very poorly most of the time without regular training. In a crash, the adrenaline is flooding your body, and most people are not “thinking” much at all. Y…

Airline pilots I've worked with have said that this is also why when evacuating the jet in an emergency, they put on their uniform hat. So they're immediately mentally flagged as "authority figure."

Also, there was an emergency a few years ago where a jet lost cabin pressure, and people were getting dragged on social media afterwards for not putting the oxygen masks over their noses.

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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post #464

Clear view from the plane waiting to take off https://www.reddit.com/r/CatastrophicFailure/comments/1isabt... Which also brings into mind cockpit distractions but its amazing they caught this on video.

I wonder why were they filming? Was there an early warning? Was it a sketchy landing in any case? I mean aircraft are fascinating and people film them all the time but wouldn’t expect a pilot sitting in another one to casually film landings. Maybe just an extremely lucky catch.

Because of the tricky conditions and great view. Presumably they were waiting for that arrival and it’s not every day you get that view of crosswind landings into such a snowy airport.

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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post #464

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I wonder why were they filming? Was there an early warning? Was it a sketchy landing in any case? I mean aircraft are fascinating and people film them all the time but wouldn’t expect a pilot sitting in another one to casually film landings. Maybe just an extremely lucky catch.

Extremely lucky, probably not. More in the sense "under different circumstances, this would have gone into the folder Uninteresting Landings, never to be viewed again." Ubiquitous smartphones mean petabytes upon petabytes of boring photos and videos - the "unusual" part is just in the event itself.

And now we are going to require body cams in everything and AI will sort it out for us
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