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Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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"Benefit of the doubt" is what some were gaslighted into when Musk threw a Nazi salute. When you attempt to gaslight the entirety of the planet that hard, you get your "Benefit of the Doubt" card revoked.

If you continue to give Musk the benefit of the doubt, then you are charlie brown running at the football lucy is holding.

>the [nuclear] football lucy was holding [until we axed the whole department of energy]

Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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Looks like you can... https://x.com/MissinN0/status/1891488896963252656

You have to search that word specifically to find those posts, they're otherwise algorithmically censored from timelines.

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Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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Do all these commenters believe this nonsense? The conspiracy thinking has reached new peaks. Hard to take concerns of free speech seriously from people promoting platforms that routinely “moderate” any dissenting opinions (HN included). Our ability for collective sense making seems to be permanently destroyed. Two people who seem to agree on everything point-by-point then reach different conclusions on the final ste…

How do you mean do we "believe this nonsense"? I don't use twitter regularly, but I have two accounts for reasons . I just signed in, I typed out a (fake) signal URL, and... posting was blocked. It doesn't appear to be nonsense, it appears to be entirely true that any tweet with "signal.me" in it is blocked. Occam's razor says they're blocking Signal. Hanlon's razor says they're just idiots. Either way: An important…

1- The conspiracy is that blocking signal links is some top down dictation from Elon as part of geopolitical power play over censoring dissenting opinions about DOGE. This is some next level mental gymnastics. There may be good reasons to temporarily block links to a specific service, eg, maybe an ongoing phishing scam, or security issue. Plenty of rational reasons that have nothing to do with Elon and Trump.

2- X is full of people arguing about DOGE, positive and negative, and Elon is constantly attacked on his own platform by both small and large accounts. These posts are not censored.

3- Elon routinely talks about the importance of free speech, and yet I keep reading claims he’s against it from people advertising bsky and mastodon, which absolutely do not (by any reasonable definition) represent free speech platforms. They are more heavily moderated than even old Twitter was.

4- I have seen no evidence of Elon having a “propensity for authoritarianism and censorship”. Every time he gives a speech he specifically talks about being pro 1st amendment, regularly responds to his detractors, and actively defends the constitution.

I do not know what version of Elon you see, but from my perspective you are talking about a cartoonish media caricature that is the opposite of the reality that I see. We appear to be see the same person, same events, and are drawing opposite conclusions. Hence my point about sense making no longer seems possible, even when we actually appear to agree. (If anybody comes out as pro-censorship, I would be the first to call it out.)

Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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But in the absence of credible information to the contrary, it's not wrong. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_purpose_of_a_system_is_wha... when a system's side effects or unintended consequences reveal that its behavior is poorly understood, then the POSIWID perspective can balance political understandings of system behavior with a more straightforwardly descriptive view

> it's not wrong. It's an elegant idea in it's simplicity, but there's zero reason to think this heuristic is more valid than any other, and in my personal experience this line of thinking is usually wrong.

What kinds of experiences have shown this heuristic to be not so useful to you?

Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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I will go with "legitimate f-up" too. Elon Musk has been pretty vocal about Signal in the past, mostly positively. If blocking Signal URLs has been intentional, he would have probably have mentioned it somewhere. Shortened URLs are dubious by default. It is also possible that there really is a lot of spam/scam happening on Signal right now with signal.me URLs as an entry point. I mean, why not? Every messaging platfo…

Are links to mastodon still banned on twitter? Because that was a thing after Musk took over. So much for being a free speech absolutist. You're making the mistake of taking a (communal + antagonistic) narcissist at face value. They are known to lie to suit their current goals and when those goals are achieved, they will lie to suit their new goals, whether the lies are congruent with each other or not. This is a guy…

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Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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You have to search that word specifically to find those posts, they're otherwise algorithmically censored from timelines.

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Sure, no one can see it due to the censorship but you can say it into the void unseen which is of course what you meant.

Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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I'm not defending Twitter or their policy in any way (disclaimer: I left Twitter the moment Elmo took over. I despise his hypocrisy and his fascist ideas) But this could be a "legitimate f-up". Normally, most of these unsafe-url protection and detection is automated in something with the scale of Twitter. Just like URL-shorteners often are (were?) "seemingly randomly" banned, because a portion of the shared urls are…

As you point out, "honest mistake" can be used by sophisticated intentional aggressors to get away with their attacks. For a long time, the advice was "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." but aggressors evolve to fit their surroundings. When the population largely follows this rule, it becomes a competitive advantage to fake incompetence. Perhaps both malice and incompetence sh…

I like to add the statement, "Sufficiently advanced negligence is indistinguishable from malice."

Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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"I am ready to pay 1000000 USD to anyone who tortures and/or kills you or anyone in your family in the most gruesome way." Isn't that free speech?

Yep it totally is and you are fine to say that about me or anyone else. If someone takes you up on that offer and you pay them, that crosses from free speech into illegal activity and you will be put in jail. But you are totally fine to talk about if you want.

And if someone takes me up on that offer and I don't pay? "Woops, just joking" but you're dead.

Also, you never were in that situation, otherwise you would know there's no way to be fine while people are plotting to maim you. Or if you are, your family sure won't be.

Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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I was curious because over here, the ownership of signal.me is pretty much obscured (behind Cloudflare and WHOIS privacy). Doing this for infrastructure domains is not a good idea because it encourages persistent overblocking because it makes manual review more difficult. At least there is official documentation mentioning signal.me: https://support.signal.org/hc/en-us/articles/360007320291-Fi...

(The page is in the Bing index, but it seems "signal.me" is treated as a stop word by the search engine.)

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