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To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by guappa »

ryandrake wrote: post #479
neor wrote: post #434

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I've had a new Toyota Corolla over the weekend, and the beeps were driving me nuts. The car reads signs, and beeps everytime it detects a change in speed limit. If you go over the speed limit, even if its 1 km/h the car starts beeping as well. I never drive really fast, when the car says I'm driving 1 KM over the limit my GPS speed usually is 5 below. This makes the signals extra annoying. They should have used beeps…

I normally drive a 15 year old car, and recently traveled and had to rent a car at my destination. This thing was infuriating and constantly annoying in so many ways. I had to return the first one because I couldn't figure out the touch screen (!!), and the replacement I got just beeped and booped constantly for reasons unknown. I couldn't even figure out how to use the radio. It kept asking me to log in (to what??)…

I'm in my 30s and I'm the same. Also the touchscreen reflecting the sun in my eyes is a source of annoyance.

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by guappa »

tobyhinloopen wrote: post #559
guappa wrote: post #443

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My toyota is constantly beeping. I especially love the collision detection that goes "BIBIBIBIBIBI" and the screen goes red saying "BREAK NOW!". All of this happens regularly when I'm dodging parked cars in small streets at very low speed. The message appears about half a second too late anyway (assuming I have instant reaction time, which I doubt). I'm glad it doesn't break automatically at least. Also it reads spee…

My volvo DID brake automatically and it pissed me off multiple times.

That sounds awful. Especially since not once the alert triggered when it should have.

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by bayindirh »

starbugs wrote: post #560
bayindirh wrote: post #556

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I'm not a person who keeps grudges, or hates things in general. I just take note what companies do, and change my choices based on my observation. VAG also took a good hit after their dieselgate scandal, and not recovered much in my mind, for example. Stellantis is also not doing well, and I was considering a vehicle from them, so I'm not so sure anymore. I don't live in a flat city, of course I'm worried and aware o…

> I just take note what companies do No. You are obviously not doing that. You take note of what the media emphasizes in an obvious press campaign that oversimplifies the actual information to a degree where it becomes borderline useless in order to reach political goals. This is not the same.

> You take note of what the media emphasizes in an obvious press campaign that oversimplifies the actual information to a degree where it becomes borderline useless in order to reach political goals.

No, I'm not doing that. To be frank, my exposure to cars, engines and related technology goes back 30+ years,. I'm not naive enough to read a single article and change my mind about Tesla, "because Elon bad, so Tesla bad".

I'm not someone who sees his car as a black box. I can diagnose, disassemble and service my car to a certain degree (and recently did that by logging weeks of data from ECU because my mechanic was not able to pinpoint the problem, and I diagnosed the problem myself). I'm also not afraid or refrain from getting my hands dirty.

If something, this article I have read is a literal drop in a bucket of things I have read only about Tesla. My information consumption about cars is increased again recently, because I'm planning to buy something new, but I'm already familiar what I might be getting under the bonnet with every choice I make.

So, you're projecting your assumptions onto me, and not only your assumptions are wrong, what you're doing is also wrong.

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by 4ndrewl »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #497
4ndrewl wrote: post #373

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No-one: Manufacturers: "Did someone say heated seats-as-a-service?"

This one is just silly since it's not making any serious money to manufacturer. That said we shouldn't stop car evolution because one shitty manufacturer fucked up. If you wan't one - you can always buy a Lada, they were perfect since 70s...

OK, how about Stellantis (Jeep, Citroen, Vauxhall etc) introducing adverts every time you stop your car?

https://m.slashdot.org/story/438631

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by mcv »

ryandrake wrote: post #508
ornornor wrote: post #507

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> drive without your seatbelt in peace That’s one very stupid way to die.

You'd be surprised how many "normal" people initially revolted against seatbelt laws and protested through noncompliance. Even the people who accepted that seatbelt use was safer, refused to use them because of the usual "The Government Won't Tell Me What To Do!" mentality.

"I will endanger my own life, just to spite the government that will never know about how I'm spiting them unless I die."

I can understand not wanting the government to decide how they live their life, who they can and can't marry, how they should identify, which bathroom to use, etc. But I'd think no-cost life-saving stuff is not a hard decision. Same with vaccines.

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by starbugs »

bayindirh wrote: post #563
starbugs wrote: post #560

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> I just take note what companies do No. You are obviously not doing that. You take note of what the media emphasizes in an obvious press campaign that oversimplifies the actual information to a degree where it becomes borderline useless in order to reach political goals. This is not the same.

> You take note of what the media emphasizes in an obvious press campaign that oversimplifies the actual information to a degree where it becomes borderline useless in order to reach political goals. No, I'm not doing that. To be frank, my exposure to cars, engines and related technology goes back 30+ years,. I'm not naive enough to read a single article and change my mind about Tesla, "because Elon bad, so Tesla bad…

If that's the case, then please cite reliable sources about the exact issues that occur and what Tesla did or did not do to mitigate them or let them slip.

If you'd have those, you could have posted them earlier here in the thread.

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by bayindirh »

starbugs wrote: post #566
bayindirh wrote: post #563

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> You take note of what the media emphasizes in an obvious press campaign that oversimplifies the actual information to a degree where it becomes borderline useless in order to reach political goals. No, I'm not doing that. To be frank, my exposure to cars, engines and related technology goes back 30+ years,. I'm not naive enough to read a single article and change my mind about Tesla, "because Elon bad, so Tesla bad…

If that's the case, then please cite reliable sources about the exact issues that occur and what Tesla did or did not do to mitigate them or let them slip. If you'd have those, you could have posted them earlier here in the thread.

Oh, wow. Requiring proof now.

First, I don't keep bookmarks of everything I read, second I can't record conversations I've had with people owning cars I'm interested in and store them in publicly accessible places.

I understand that we will not be able to meet somewhere in the middle. Also, I'm not someone who'd leave personal opinions and experiences to appease and please someone.

So, have a nice day. Hope your cars never break down and give you infinite joy.

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by mschild »

starbugs wrote: post #515
mschild wrote: post #503

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> you will find that there are a lot of reported issues with the headlights. Correct, but you just happen to leave out the mentioned issues with the brakes and axles as clearly stated in the article. > In addition to defects in the brakes and axles, the Tesla also has a particularly high number of lighting defects. If you want to point out issues, which is absolutely fair, please don't cherry-pick. > but I'd suspect…

Look, HN people don't like Tesla. A lot of German people in positions of power don't like Tesla. Suddenly an article appears that explicitly highlights Tesla vehicles as not passing TÜV because they allegedly have quality issues. The article mentions no details. If you search for details on Google, you get a list of very similar looking articles all citing the same statement from a TÜV person. None of those provide a…

What do you mean suddenly? The report is released every year. There's nothing mysterious about news pages, especially those related to cars, writing articles about a yearly report. The article mentions no in-depth detail because it is an excerpt from the full report which you are free to purchase and read if you would like more information. The reason Tesla gets mentioned is twofold: electric cars have been a topic of discussion in Germany for quite some time and the failure rate of Tesla Model 3s is significantly higher than other comparable cars. I don't know why you have it in your head that this is some big conspiracy by Big Car TM. Yes, TÜV does not assess reliability of a car, but road-worthiness. Evidently something that Tesla has a larger problem with than other manufacturers. I don't know why, nor do I claim to. I don't care about Tesla. Neither do I care about VW or any other manufacturer for that matter. They are profit oriented companies that are selling you a product.

> In fact, right now Tesla has the best electric car technology available on the market.

By what measure exactly? The best isn't a measure and as of right now a subjective statement.

> Along with the best charging network available on the market.

Again, subjective. What do you mean by best? The amount of chargers? The cost/kWh? Location? And what market exactly?

> And the best software (light years ahead of the competition) on the market.

Again, subjective. You complain about an article having no detail, then make statements praising Tesla as the best electric car but provide 0 evidence or numbers.

Just because you like something, doesn't mean I have to as well. I'm not a mechanical/electrical engineer so I cannot speak to their car technology or reliability. I do know their software, because I drove one for work reasons for 3 months. You might like it and get along fine with it, I don't.

I didn't buy a Tesla because their choice to start placing all functionality into the touch screen is counterintuitive to the whole point of the car: getting me safely from point A to B. Other manufacturers, including VW are horrendous at this as well. I didn't buy a car from them either.

> Also they don't require you to service the car for a long time.

Given the percentage of their cars failing the inspection, perhaps they should.

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by starbugs »

bayindirh wrote: post #567
starbugs wrote: post #566

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If that's the case, then please cite reliable sources about the exact issues that occur and what Tesla did or did not do to mitigate them or let them slip. If you'd have those, you could have posted them earlier here in the thread.

Oh, wow. Requiring proof now. First, I don't keep bookmarks of everything I read, second I can't record conversations I've had with people owning cars I'm interested in and store them in publicly accessible places. I understand that we will not be able to meet somewhere in the middle. Also, I'm not someone who'd leave personal opinions and experiences to appease and please someone. So, have a nice day. Hope your cars…

Oh, wow - as soon as real information is required, you pull out. Didn't expect anything else.

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by starbugs »

mschild wrote: post #568
starbugs wrote: post #515

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Look, HN people don't like Tesla. A lot of German people in positions of power don't like Tesla. Suddenly an article appears that explicitly highlights Tesla vehicles as not passing TÜV because they allegedly have quality issues. The article mentions no details. If you search for details on Google, you get a list of very similar looking articles all citing the same statement from a TÜV person. None of those provide a…

What do you mean suddenly? The report is released every year. There's nothing mysterious about news pages, especially those related to cars, writing articles about a yearly report. The article mentions no in-depth detail because it is an excerpt from the full report which you are free to purchase and read if you would like more information. The reason Tesla gets mentioned is twofold: electric cars have been a topic o…

Parent asked why it's not a good proxy measure for reliability. You admit that it isn't.

> Yes, TÜV does not assess reliability of a car, but road-worthiness

So, great - that's all I tried to say to start with.

Now enjoy your smear campaign!

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