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The Microsoft 365 Copilot launch was a disaster

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Re: The Microsoft 365 Copilot launch was a disaster

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Post by zwolf24 »

Fr0styMatt88 wrote: post #248
thelittleone wrote: post #223

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Not only did the megacorp CEO's drop the ball on AI... we've got them gloating over widespread firing of engineers due to AI and then quotes like "I'm good for my $80B" like its his own personal money bag. And now they're force feeding crappy alpha AI products. The egos are well out of hand. And they give this group the name "The Magnificent Seven". WTF have we become. We trust these companies to be stewards of AGI/A…

So much this, when you see Zuck or even Jensen Huang saying "software engineers won't be needed anymore" and being excited about it you get pissed off as a software engineer lol. I feel like Microsoft's whole thing with Windows 11 has been "just force the users to do what we want them to do, we know better than they do" so it doesn't surprise me that 365 went the same way. I'm saying this and I'm a person that's usua…

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Re: The Microsoft 365 Copilot launch was a disaster

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Post by zwolf24 »

sensanaty wrote: post #470
ogogmad wrote: post #467

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But can you explain why this feature is/was so important? The fact that there are 3rd party tools that can restore it makes it even more marginal. There are gazillions of UI changes in every app we use, it seems strange that this very marginal one should get someone up in arms. > M$ has no excuse, other than them being a completely incompetent entity of course. No, it's because "M$" doesn't think it's an important fe…

Do you actually not understand why customization is something people want out of the operating system they use for upwards of 8+ hours a day, every single day? Should we disallow changing background images? Should we let people set color accents as they can right now? Should we even let them choose where they want their desktop icons to be, or which desktop icons they can have there? Or should we disable choosing whi…

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Re: The Microsoft 365 Copilot launch was a disaster

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Post by zwolf24 »

WorldMaker wrote: post #534
ogogmad wrote: post #467

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But can you explain why this feature is/was so important? The fact that there are 3rd party tools that can restore it makes it even more marginal. There are gazillions of UI changes in every app we use, it seems strange that this very marginal one should get someone up in arms. > M$ has no excuse, other than them being a completely incompetent entity of course. No, it's because "M$" doesn't think it's an important fe…

> But can you explain why this feature is/was so important? 1) It's a line in the sand between decades of customization versus "my way or the highway [third party tools, some of which get banned for 'hacking' to implement their features, all of which are generally banned in things like corporate environments]". 2) It's a customization feature that has existed since Windows 95. Removing that feature broke decades of u…

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Post by vrighter »

sensanaty wrote: post #466
ogogmad wrote: post #454

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This seems extremely niche. Maybe even petty? Why do you care where the taskbar is? Remember that every change breaks someone's workflow : https://xkcd.com/1172/

It's been a feature of Windows for a decade+, why on earth would they remove it? I've had mine aligned to the top of the screen for as long as I can remember, and there's even 3rd party tools that restore this basic ass behavior in Win11 (not that I'll ever use that bloatware willingly again). M$ has no excuse, other than them being a completely incompetent entity of course.

It was there 3 (three) decades ago.

Re: The Microsoft 365 Copilot launch was a disaster

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Post by einpoklum »

ribadeo wrote: post #404

How do they still have money? Their primo offerings can be readily substituted with FOSS since decades, and at this point the libreoffice experience is better.

Id' say it's a combination of:

1. The effect of being the closest-to-reach solution on MS Windows. 2. Organizational inertia. 3. MS Office' use of OOXML is convoluted and difficult to replicate/reverse engineer, making it difficult to perfectly export to and import from it. 4. Fear, uncertainty and doubt about ditching MS Office. Nobody ever got fired for paying for Microsoft Office. 5. MS marketing

Re: The Microsoft 365 Copilot launch was a disaster

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Post by edm0nd »

ogogmad wrote: post #454
edm0nd wrote: post #317

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>I feel like Microsoft's whole thing with Windows 11 has been "just force the users to do what we want them to do, we know better than they do" My biggest gripe about Win11 is they stole from us the ability to move the task bar. It can ONLY be pinned to the bottom of the screen now. For the longest time, I was a top of the screen taskbar user. From what I've read, they have no plans to implement or change this "featu…

This seems extremely niche. Maybe even petty? Why do you care where the taskbar is? Remember that every change breaks someone's workflow : https://xkcd.com/1172/

A comment like this tells me you are a child and ignorant.

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Post by butlike »

eddythompson80 wrote: post #388
dreamcompiler wrote: post #365

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> So much this, when you see Zuck or even Jensen Huang saying "software engineers won't be needed anymore" and being excited about it you get pissed off as a software engineer lol. The real story nobody is saying out loud is that CEOs are much more replaceable by AI than are software engineers.

> The real story nobody is saying out loud is that CEOs are much more replaceable by AI than are software engineers. Sorry, but that’s not true at all. It doesn’t really make a lot of sense. Who is replacing the CEO of a company with AI? The board? The board doesn’t want/can’t run the company. They will hire someone to “run the CEO AI”? Won’t that just be a CEO using AI? Maybe that makes it so the CEO is paid less Be…

Flip the script. The CEO AI runs the company. No one runs the CEO AI.

> You still need a face of it at the end of the day.

Feel like that one's solved with 30 seconds on DALL-E

Re: The Microsoft 365 Copilot launch was a disaster

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Post by eddythompson80 »

butlike wrote: post #567
eddythompson80 wrote: post #388

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> The real story nobody is saying out loud is that CEOs are much more replaceable by AI than are software engineers. Sorry, but that’s not true at all. It doesn’t really make a lot of sense. Who is replacing the CEO of a company with AI? The board? The board doesn’t want/can’t run the company. They will hire someone to “run the CEO AI”? Won’t that just be a CEO using AI? Maybe that makes it so the CEO is paid less Be…

Flip the script. The CEO AI runs the company. No one runs the CEO AI. > You still need a face of it at the end of the day. Feel like that one's solved with 30 seconds on DALL-E

again, that also makes no sense. If AI reaches that level of competence, then why would it only replace the CEO position or be better at being a CEO than say a people's manager? an engineer, HR, legal, sales, marketing etc? In fact, why not just create an "All AI company". you just register it, and run OpenCompanyAI, feed it some parameters "You are a company selling

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Post by majewsky »

disqard wrote: post #554
conartist6 wrote: post #452

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Lets say that CEOs are no more or less replaceable with AI than all the other jobs. Throwing away all the humans to replace them with AIs is a move only an AI CEO would make, because and AI couldn't give less of a shit if something it does blows up in its face. Well, apparently real CEOs couldn't care less either. Imagining you're going to run a successful software organization (once you've hollowed out the people wh…

Yes, I agree with the picture you're painting here, but it befuddles me where all these grifters think they'll go? They'll have to live in bunkers for the rest of their lives. Imagine that you're one of them, and you want to go watch a game (or a T. Swift concert) -- so you hop on your private jet and go to the stadium/arena. If you happen to be caught on-camera and your face is up there, on the Jumbotron, every sing…

They'll just fly Taylor in for a private concert. Everybody has a price.

Re: The Microsoft 365 Copilot launch was a disaster

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Post by butlike »

eddythompson80 wrote: post #568
butlike wrote: post #567

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Flip the script. The CEO AI runs the company. No one runs the CEO AI. > You still need a face of it at the end of the day. Feel like that one's solved with 30 seconds on DALL-E

again, that also makes no sense. If AI reaches that level of competence, then why would it only replace the CEO position or be better at being a CEO than say a people's manager? an engineer, HR, legal, sales, marketing etc? In fact, why not just create an "All AI company". you just register it, and run OpenCompanyAI, feed it some parameters "You are a company selling

I don't think it's out of the realm of possibilities; CEO is just what the conversation was focused on.
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