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Re: Nintendo announces the Switch 2 [video]

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Post by Hasu »

pjmlp wrote: post #424
Hasu wrote: post #412

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I don't think the number of games in the catalogue matters in this discussion? There are hundreds of Switch games that perform great, and I don't care because I will never play them. When I play a game and there are frame drops, stuttering, lag, dropped inputs, etc., it reduces my fun just as much as if the game were poorly designed. Maybe that's not the case for you, maybe you don't care, but I do, so do others. I d…

So better not buy any computing device. Having been through the demoscene and home computing days since their birth, I can only laugh when calling Switch underpowered.

> So better not buy any computing device.

I don't have this issue on other computing devices. My PC runs all the games I want to play on it very well. I can also upgrade the hardware whenever I want, unlike in my Switch.

> Having been through the demoscene and home computing days since their birth, I can only laugh when calling Switch underpowered.

What does this have to do with the fact that the Switch has performance issues with first party Nintendo games? Hardware power only makes sense when talking about the software you want to run on it. The Switch is underpowered for software released exclusively for it, by the company that makes it. It's not underpowered for NES games, sure, but neither is an NES.

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Post by jamesgeck0 »

10729287 wrote: post #371
chungy wrote: post #206

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Nintendo has tended to maintain at most 1 generation of backwards compatibility, though you can get some fuzzy ideas of "generations" in a few cases. Game Boy Color: plays original Game Boy games Game Boy Advance: plays Game Boy and Game Boy Color games Nintendo DS: plays Game Boy Advance games Nintendo DSi: plays Nintendo DS games Nintendo 3DS: plays Nintendo DS and DSi games Nintendo New 3DS: plays Nintendo DS, DSi…

>Nintendo New 3DS: plays Nintendo DS, DSi, and (old) 3DS games I know HN doesn't have any room for sarcasm but I couldn't not laugh trying to remember what were the NEW 3ds games. Sure the second pad made the 3DS way more comfortable to play, and 3D was a bit better, but we all got scammed here regarding games supporting this new hardware.

IIRC Xenoblade Chronicles and Fire Emblem Warriors were the only ones I really cared about. Lots of people held onto their old hardware; probably wasn't worth excluding them.

The biggest advantage of owning a New 3DS turned out to be the huge performance uplift. A fair number of games ran at double the framerate or only supported 3D mode on the newer hardware. Code Name STEAM had substantially less downtime on the New models because the AI could process turns faster. Several reviews for Hyrule Warriors Legends flat out said not to buy the game unless you had a "New" model due to performance issues.

Re: Nintendo announces the Switch 2 [video]

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Post by OtomotO »

irrational wrote: post #442
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The Switch was the first device where i saw how well the mobile + docked system worked and it was my favorite device until I got a Steam Deck. The Deck is killer IMO because it takes the same form factor of the Switch, gives you more power and no restrictions on games.

No restrictions, except you can't play the Zelda, Mario, etc. games.

Of course you can.

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Post by enragedcacti »

Terretta wrote: post #99
jjice wrote: post #27

I’m glad to see Nintendo found a form factor that’s kind of gimmicky that actually worked. The Wii and Wii U were too gimmicky, but portability was a great choice. I’m also glad to see backwards compatibility. I’m excited to see what kind of hardware improvements have been made. The switch came out in March 2017, just about 8 years ago. Just due to the way Nintendo games have their animated charm, they’re able to mak…

> I’m glad to see Nintendo found a form factor that’s kind of gimmicky that actually worked. I don't quite understand this comment. Parents will be unable to tell the difference (like parents buying their kids Xbox One S when Xbox Series S came out, really bad naming increment with form factor so similar), and other comments here note this Switch 2 is a regression to less quirk. What's the gimmicky part of this that…

I think parents will have no problem with the concept of a Thingie N+1 and most of those stories came from either XBOX's insane naming or from Wii->Wii U.

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Post by hbn »

jjice wrote: post #27

I’m glad to see Nintendo found a form factor that’s kind of gimmicky that actually worked. The Wii and Wii U were too gimmicky, but portability was a great choice. I’m also glad to see backwards compatibility. I’m excited to see what kind of hardware improvements have been made. The switch came out in March 2017, just about 8 years ago. Just due to the way Nintendo games have their animated charm, they’re able to mak…

The gaming industry is much more mature and settled than the past when Nintendo could mess around with a crazy new gimmick every new console release.

People expect backwards compatibility now, and the Switch has such a mature software library, it would be a waste to throw it out. And it'll be harder than ever to re-sell people a port of a game from a few years ago that looks basically identical to how it did before (though Sony's been trying)

I'm looking forward to this, and I hope Nintendo patches OG Switch games to take advantage of the new hardware. It's a shame the only (official) method of playing the new Zeldas gets you frequently chugging along at like 15fps.

> The switch came out in March 2017, just about 8 years ago. Just due to the way Nintendo games have their animated charm, they’re able to make their games look excellent on that hardware still.

Even more impressive, the SoC in the Switch is from about 2013 I believe.

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Post by tmvphil »

makeitdouble wrote: post #488
tmvphil wrote: post #303

I get this is Nintendo, so it'll never be fixed, but I honestly hate having to buy Nintendo hardware just to play the three or four big-name platform exclusives per generation. It would be so much better for consumers if they would just abandon the hardware and be a regular games company

To Nintendo's credit, their big exclusive titles tend to take advantage of the special hardware. Zelda was weird and impractical outside of the standard controls, but still somewhat benefited from NFC. Splatoon plays a lot better with the motion controls, NFC is actually a nice QOL improvement. A game like Arms is also nicer in split mode, even if core players tend to get back to the standard controller mode. I see i…

By NFC, you mean amiibo? I think "in game perks for buying collectible junk" is not actually a good feature.

Motion controls, eh, they're supported on ps5. They could just sell the switch pro controller.

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Post by jamesgeck0 »

sefke wrote: post #420
buster wrote: post #237

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To me, Nintendo is more about gameplay then graphics and i hope it stays that way.

I agree with you, but in some newer games it just doesn't make sense to me. They want good graphics but the Switch can't handle them, but they still try to make them. For example, Pokemon Scarlet & Violet. Gameplay and the game design for me personally is really great, but I can't stand the graphics. I would rather play on worse graphics just to not have constant frame drops and in some parts of the game N64 graphics…

Scarlet/Violet look atrocious even next to other Switch Pokemon games. The art direction wasn't great, and it was a really poor game technically.

https://www.eurogamer.net/digitalfoundry-2022-pokemon-scarle...

Can't find it right now, but someone did some side by side comparisons of Scarlet/Violet next to similar Breath of the Wild scenes, and it's night and day.

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Post by stnmtn »

pjmlp wrote: post #424
Hasu wrote: post #412

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think the number of games in the catalogue matters in this discussion? There are hundreds of Switch games that perform great, and I don't care because I will never play them. When I play a game and there are frame drops, stuttering, lag, dropped inputs, etc., it reduces my fun just as much as if the game were poorly designed. Maybe that's not the case for you, maybe you don't care, but I do, so do others. I d…

So better not buy any computing device. Having been through the demoscene and home computing days since their birth, I can only laugh when calling Switch underpowered.

The Switch 1 is certainly underpowered compared to what it's competing with in the market with right now. That's why Nintendo is making a switch 2.

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Post by JohnBooty »

loloquwowndueo wrote: post #259
mingus88 wrote: post #171

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This is a just first look trailer so yes I think most people have no choice but to hold off on a purchase decision I saw a larger screen and exclusive titles for the switch 2. As with everything else in gaming I am expecting modest bumps in performance and since this is Nintendo it will sell very well and have Mario and Zelda releases that get 9/10 reviews on all the usual sites. The gaming industry has been going th…

> most people have no choice but to hold off on a purchase decision Probably all people, right? Who decides to buy the thing based on this sneak peek and then when it comes out and has some deal-breaking flaw says “oh no siree, I already made my decision when I saw the trailer months ago and I’m sticking to it no matter what”?

I'm quite certain that lot of people have already decided to buy it!

Nintendo's stuff isn't for everybody, but if you do like it... they truly do have a strong 40 year history of doing their thing and getting it mostly right nearly all of the time.

So for many people their default action is "buy the next Nintendo console every 5-10 years, because I would like the play the next 5-10 years of Mario/Zelda/etc games."

It's not unconditional love (Nintendo was in a tough place after the Wii U flop) but realistically, I think a lot of people have decided they're going to get one of these unless there's some big fiasco.

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