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Re: Who killed the rave?

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Post by thrawn0r »

Dalewyn wrote: post #359
evanelias wrote: post #200

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> One, I hated the term "raving" Completely agreed on the terminology. When I got into the scene (late 90s, Philly and Baltimore), everyone legit totally avoided saying "rave" or "raving" when talking with other folks in the scene. We all just said "party", and it was clear what you were talking about based on context (and, for better or worse, clothing style). No one said "ravers" either, it was always "party kids"…

>No one said "ravers" either, it was always "party kids" instead, at least among the younger end of the crowd. Over in Japan the term was party people which slurred into pary people and finally paripi which is the term today. Just some interesting culture from the other side of the pond.

thanks for that piece of trope :)

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Post by quchen »

EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK wrote: post #228
b800h wrote: post #32

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Not if you're going to a rave-style event. That would be creepy and unwanted. At least back in my day (mid-90s).

Don't know what "rave" is, in normal night clubs not hitting on anyone all night would be considered creepy. And dances are an essential element helping to ... close the distance. Always were, since middle ages.

The key difference is: do you go there to hook up, or do you go there because you like the place, which as a second order effect is great common ground to meeting someone?

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Post by leptons »

kstrauser wrote: post #341
grahamj wrote: post #273

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lol @ grayvers I left it all behind years ago but your event sounds awesome. Glad some people still keep the vibe alive.

Honestly, you won't find me on the dance floor. I'll be meandering around listening to the music I love at seismic sound levels, looking at the art exhibits people set up, and chilling with my friends. I just want to soak up the vibes and love everyone and the world for a few days, not dance myself to exhaustion.

Are you me? lol. I'm in SoCal though, and we still do our own family-style desert parties and we sometimes go to bigger desert parties (Moontribe still going strong), and sometimes go to the mountains in the central valley too. Slinky (which was near Fresno) was so much fun until it ended recently after 21 years :( My friend group doesn't have anything in the mountains quite like Slinky to replace it, but it sounds like you keep your invite list small, and for good reasons I know.

My wife still dances all-out, and she goes every weekend to see Doc or Farina or DJ Dan or whoever is in town. She can't live without getting sweaty from dancing, and I admire her for it especially as we're getting older - I'm in my 50s now, my knees are not what they used to be.

Have you seen the recently released documentary about Wicked Soundsystem? I'm guessing you're probably familiar with those guys. We saw it in a theater in LA and then went to the after party, it brought back so many memories.

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Post by ethbr1 »

deanCommie wrote: post #467
ethbr1 wrote: post #457

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Imho, the internet / mobile apps have drastically atrophied younger generations' face-to-face social interaction skills. And specifically their appetite for the risk/discomfort that goes along with living in realtime physical moments with other people. Human beings are awkward as hell, but that's what laughter and tolerance are the bridges for.

Every instinct I have agrees with you. Yet I can't help but wonder if people also said the same about the telephone (which enabled socialization without colocation) and television (Which enabled entertainment as a passive indirect consumption) I realize of course that the internet, and mobile (and eventually VR/AR) is Yet Another Step Further. But...like every step does it not also come with benefits for some at the…

> if people also said the same about the telephone [...] and television

I'd say they were probably right. Pre-solo-consumptive technology, people on average were better socialized.

It's inherent in the nature of improved consumptive and interactive experiences to smooth off the pain points.

Unfortunately many of those same pain points are also intrinsic to realworld, realtime interaction. And doing them more proficiently is a skill that one can learn and improve (or not).

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Post by wisty »

geodel wrote: post #415
daedrdev wrote: post #366

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Many cities effectively ban or heavily restrict new housing developments that increase density. I'm really not surprised real estate prices continue to rise when building new units is often an extremely expensive, risky process that in some areas can be stopped at any time with literally no reason required

Huh, why is college getting expensive, healthcare getting expensive, day care getting expensive, hell even streaming services getting expensive, none of these are heavily restricted that no development is happening there. And in many cities breakneck construction activity is happening still real estate is getting very expensive. This seems rather simplistic reason to me.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baumol_effect

> In economics, the Baumol effect, also known as Baumol's cost disease, first described by William J. Baumol and William G. Bowen in the 1960s, is the tendency for wages in jobs that have experienced little or no increase in labor productivity to rise in response to rising wages in other jobs that did experience high productivity growth.

Stuff that's made in China gets relatively cheap, so stuff that's not made in China gets relatively more expensive.

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Post by [deleted] »

leptons wrote: post #535
alsetmusic wrote: post #391

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I was on the scene in the Bay Area in the 2000s. I went to warehouse parties and secret raves that required calling a number to find out where to get picked up to keep the location secret. It was vibrant and a lot of fun. There were at least two sites that I knew of for keeping track of parties (bayraves.com was one, I don’t recall the other). The scene was dying at the same time that I was aging out, but I sure miss…

My wife, who has been a raver since the 90's, is currently out collecting free Narcan doses to deliver to people throwing raves in Southern California. Party organizers need to really step up and have Narcan on hand, but most don't.

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Post by fullspectrumdev »

Gentrification of areas with music venues is a notable factor. It’s like a cycle. Very noticeable in London.

Place is cheap and kind of a shithole so it’s possible to open cool bars and late night music venues. People move there because it’s now a cool place. Prices go up. People complain about the noise from the venues. Venues close and are replaced with sterile overpriced crap. Place is now boring and expensive. See: Shoreditch as a fine example.

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Post by ajsnigrutin »

mtalantikite wrote: post #176
berlinbrowndev wrote: post #94

I love electronic music. Been listening to it for 30 years. Mostly drumbass, dubstep, some house. Groups like subfocus. I used to listen to tiesto, bt, etc. One, I hated the term "raving". I was thought raves were finding an abandoned house, playing music and drugs. I just like the music and don't need the dance clubs or the drugs. But with the said, I think the "club" scene has dropped off. Expensive drinks. Expensi…

This exactly. I've been to "raves", they were just giant parties with $3 beers in an abandoned or semi-legal building somewhere in Brooklyn. I was surprised when I started hearing people call giant corporate venues with dancing "raves". I went out to one of those giant clubs in Brooklyn not too long ago to see a friend DJ (Brooklyn Mirage). I was on guestlist, but the cover would have been $50. I bought a round of dr…

Yep, "back in my time", you could go to parties with then relatively famous DJ's (from gigi d'agostino, gabry ponte, etc., to our locals like Umek and Sylvain) for the entry fee equivalent of then ~2 street kebabs, and "club dj's" (local dj, playing other peoples popular music) for a price of ~1 kebab.

Drinks were a lot cheaper, but for most of us, it was drinking store bought drinks outside, then going in and having one or two drinks inside.

Now, an event like this, 60eur+ (~15 kebabs) for less known DJs, and you can't even sit down at a table/booth, you need to reserve those in advance and pay like 300eur (+ tickets.. but you get a bottle of cheap vodka and like 4 redbulls in the price). And it's a night club, a few tables and benches were always a must for those who either drank a bit too much or took a bit too much of the happy pills.

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