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School smartphone ban results in better sleep and improved mood: study

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Post by doug_durham »

temporarara wrote: post #556
tclancy wrote: post #519

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It would also be nice to attach what ages your kids are, because someone arguing against Big Brother and censorship sounds a lot like someone who doesn’t have to get a kid to bed tonight. Not that opinions can’t be valid, but let’s have our cards on the table.

Reading a book to young kids worked wonders back then and once they were old enough to run outside without supervision they exhausted themselves quite naturally at the end of the day. You can really do million productive things with kids if they aren't feeling sleepy instead of dooming them to bad sleep with those screens.

"Those screens". How about just "screens".

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Post by doug_durham »

frde_me wrote: post #454
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My point is - it's under my control, if I didn't know how to do this I'd either accept the ads, pay, or not allow phone usage. There are options. I don't need the government to do that for me, I can decide myself. Here in Europe, phone is necessary for daily life - even as a kid. And it makes it so much easier, better - and interesting, if you teach your kids that. My kids use their phone like a Star Trek tricorder,…

I'm going to go to an extreme, but if we had solid research that said banning phones at school resulted in some extreme, lets say 50%, improvement in their ability to learn, would you support the ban of phones during school time? Would you expect the school to _not_ implement a policy that would benefit learning that much? What if we swapped this out for "not taking edibles during class", would that infringe on your…

Do you have children? It sounds like you don't since you are talking like someone on the outside. I'm not saying that would change your position, but you'd be talking with more nuance if you did.

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Post by adolph »

philsnow wrote: post #527
joshuakcockrell wrote: post #486

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I worked on the Twitter iOS app. Can confirm my kid isn’t allowed a phone until they’re a teen. Once they get one, I’ll be spending hours figuring out how to MDM brick the thing so they can’t get anywhere near social media. Having said that, I’m still an app dev (personal finance & budgeting) and I’m excited to onboard my kid into that world.

Apple Configurator.app You can set the phone to only run an approved list of apps (like Phone and Messages, and that’s it, no App Store)

I have a notion that home mdm plus network controls is necessary (and using mdm to ensure vpn thru the latter).

iOS controls have worked well enough so far but the school chromebooks have nada.

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Post by bdangubic »

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except customer is not always right at private schools, the school makes the rules, you get to sign the agreement and then pay a bunch of money and the stfu. my kid goes to private school, no electronics of any kind are allowed. over the years many parents bitched about it which went as good as you can imagine - “there are many other options for your child’s education…”

You have to get all the parents onboard and have other options.

absofuckinglutely NOT. parents are fucking idiots. you start asking parents shit and you end up with “oh this book should not be in the library.”

the way it should work (and it does in many private schools I scouted for my kid) is that school sets the rules, you sign the rulebook - end of the story. no discussion and 1,000,000% no parent involvement of ANY kind

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Post by adolph »

tyre wrote: post #507
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That's exactly what I was going to say. Every software dev I know who works on apps, social media, etc. all keep their kids from going near the shit. They know, conflict of interest or not. I've not seen anyone behind these products once they hit a mature state where they start psychologically stripmining their audiences who's eager to get any of their family onboarded.

It’s sad that these people know this and still work on them. I can’t imagine living my life day-in, day-out knowingly making other people’s lives worse.

Name any industry and there’s probably some negative aspect to it. Everything sufficiently effective at anything has a high potential for misuse.

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Post by Izkata »

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As an American, I'm at a loss trying to figure out when phones started being allowed in school. Back in my day, all electronics had to stay in your locker except your calculator, including pagers, personal organizers and for the very few kids who were wealthy enough to have one, phones as well. This would be about the time that Motorola and Nokia were selling giant bricks that they called phones. Edit: and no, school…

> trying to figure out when phones started being allowed in school I was a high school senior in 2003-2004, and my dad gave me a phone to use that year, and I think most of my classmates had one too, but I don't actually remember there being any problem or policy about it. I assume that's because phones were just phones at the time, and who were you going to call during class? I don't think I even sent or received a…

I was around the same time as you, and I think the official rules for my school were simply that you can't use them in class. Exact repercussions left up to the individual teachers. Most didn't care unless it disrupted the class or was during a test, and a favorite for the class-disruption case was to answer the phone for the student and embarrass them.

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Post by bdangubic »

basisword wrote: post #352
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Please keep in mind, these lists are usually completely arbitrary and have very loose definitions of "school shootings", based around the usual theatrics of security and terror theater. Some examples that have been on these lists in the past: - A school resource officers firearm that accidentally went off when a child hugged around his waist. No injuries (there are other questions, but doesn't qualify in the same way…

>> Please keep in mind, these lists are usually completely arbitrary and have very loose definitions of "school shootings" While I get your point, I think when you have to be concerned about how 'school shooting' is defined your country has a big problem.

amen :) when you start weeding through thousands of things to find “silver lining” you have already lost (US has lost all sense of protecting our children a long time ago and it is nonsense like this that is poisoning people’s brains in defense of 2nd amendment (err gun lobbyists…)

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Post by 4ggr0 »

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I had unfiltered internet access from around the age of ten onwards. I can confidently say that was a horrible idea and I would have been much better off as a person without it.

i think about this a lot as someone who had unfiltered access to the internet since being a kid around 2010. on the one hand i learned to understand english as a young boy, on my own, without realizing. on the other hand i've seen videos of beheadings, terrorist acts, violent accidents, war crimes and many more, lovely things.

that being said...still not sure if it's a net-negative. feels positive to me, just not without there being negative aspects.

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Post by criddell »

frde_me wrote: post #498
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No, I wouldn't support that policy. That would be like banning paper because someone prints porn on it. Absurd.

If I follow through what you said, paper has obvious positive impact in schools, or we can at least imagine that positive impact. And so banning paper would be very likely not to result in an improvement if studied. And like any smartphone ban, it _should_ be studied rigorously before implementing. But lets say they do find that smart phones during class _are_ good, but just social media is bad, then it also sounds r…

My kids’ high school requires kids to have a phone. They want the kids using the calendar to track assignments. The ask the kids to use the camera to take a photo of the board which contains their homework assignment. They use some messaging app where they can communicate with the teacher and the teacher can talk to individuals or the entire class. They’ve had assignments where they need to shoot a short movie with their phones.

I’ve never heard anybody say this, but I think one of their goals is to teach appropriate use of phones.

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Post by novaRom »

KaiserPro wrote: post #508

Disclosure: I work for a social media company. However I live in the UK. Most schools in the UK ban phones in school. The difference here is that in this study phones were taken away for 21 days, even after school. They lost access to the phone completely during that time. I am less convinced that we should wholesale ban phones for kids, because in the UK at least, there is no longer any culture of letting kids go ou…

> stops all notifications after 20:00

Better to stop absolutely all notifications. When I need to know if someone of my friends is asking something I can open a chat app and check. If something is urgent then just a phone call. The amount of distractions is enormous, thus disabling it by law might be more effective solution, otherwise intellectual decline/underdevelopment of the future society is predetermined.

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