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Re: What we know about CEO shooting suspect

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Post by nobody9999 » Tue, Dec 10, 2024, 10:23 AM UTC

Bjorkbat wrote: post #66

I'm weirdly not too surprised due to this belief I have that software developers would make effective criminals. A lot of this boils down to a belief I have that not getting caught in the first place is easy. Murders have something like a 50% solve rate and you can decrease your chances of getting caught with a little knowledge on how to evade common forensic techniques along with some planning. Those who get caught…

> Those who get caught doing one crime or another either were dumb to begin or eventually got lazy and made a dumb mistake in hindsight.

>Besides that though, the ethos that we have lends itself well to acquiring advanced knowledge in more-or-less all domains, crime and forensics included.

I wouldn't give too much credit to law enforcement. Perpetrators need to get it (opsec/disposal of evidence/etc.) right every single time, sometimes for decades. Law enforcement only needs to get it right once. And yet, clearance rates for murder are still pretty low.

Re: What we know about CEO shooting suspect

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Post by mock-possum » Tue, Dec 10, 2024, 10:24 AM UTC

agilob wrote: post #530

breadwinner wrote: post #156

He gave the Unabomber’s manifesto four stars on Goodreads, and described Unabomber as a "political revolutionary". Excerpts from his review: "It’s easy to quickly and thoughtless write this off as the manifesto of a lunatic, in order to avoid facing some of the uncomfortable problems it identifies. But it’s simply impossible to ignore how prescient many of his predictions about modern society turned out." "He was a v…

What you're missing here (and all the media copy-pasting the review) is that the review is a quote from reddit.com/r/climate https://old.reddit.com/r/climate/comments/10j1le5/has_anyone...

I still don’t get how people miss this - he explicitly states it’s a quote, he even puts it in quotation marks.

People see what they want to I suppose.

Re: What we know about CEO shooting suspect

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Post by meigwilym » Tue, Dec 10, 2024, 10:27 AM UTC

shiroiushi wrote: post #249

astrange wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you want better healthcare you don't need to invent anything new or "disrupt systems of oppression". Just pick another country where it's working and do what they do. Largely, they have a lot more doctors, hospitals and MRI machines per capita than we do, and they pay their doctors less and require less education from them. This is particularly safer in America because the #1 thing voters hate is anyone doing anyt…

>If you want better healthcare you don't need to invent anything new or "disrupt systems of oppression". Just pick another country where it's working and do what they do. This is completely impossible. We're talking about America here: it's utterly impossible for America to look at other countries and just copy them. It doesn't matter how much sense it would make; if America has a choice between sticking with some br…

I've seen enough of American politics to consider that copying a better system and lying your ass off that it's American made would work (tbh this would work for most modern democracies).

Re: What we know about CEO shooting suspect

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Post by Cumpiler69 » Tue, Dec 10, 2024, 10:33 AM UTC

__alexs wrote: post #541

lm28469 wrote: post #507

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It wouldn't be the first time the police/three letters agencies lie about how they identified/located a suspect to not leak potentially illegal surveillance processes

Agree but doesn't explain why he would be carrying so much incriminating stuff around with him.

Maybe because he wanted to get caught? Or at least expected it and knew there was no way he'd get away with it.

Re: What we know about CEO shooting suspect

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Post by lazide » Tue, Dec 10, 2024, 10:35 AM UTC

hnbad wrote: post #544

lm28469 wrote: post #507

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It wouldn't be the first time the police/three letters agencies lie about how they identified/located a suspect to not leak potentially illegal surveillance processes

It seems far more likely to be a case of incompetence. Law enforcement actually has an extremely low rate of "solving" cases, especially if you exclude all the "solved" cases where the suspect is caught on scene or that end in a plea bargain (i.e. did not have to establish sufficient evidence in the first place). Ever since he got "caught" (if you can call someone literally telling the police where he is "the police…

They don’t even need to actually tie him to the killing to put him in jail for a long time - possession of an illegal suppressor is a slam dunk here, and that’s major jail time.

Re: What we know about CEO shooting suspect

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Post by lazide » Tue, Dec 10, 2024, 10:35 AM UTC

wisty wrote: post #548

xyst wrote: post #491

A couple of theories: - person clearly had meticulously planned the execution of the hit and exfiltration. Even leaving red herrings on his way out of the city (backpack full of Monopoly money). Yet clumsily keeps _all_ of the evidence that would implicate himself in this murder. Not to mention he is wandering about in public while a multi-state manhunt is underway with the full weight of alphabet soup agencies, and…

Disposing of evidence can sometimes be more incriminating than not. Let's say he shuts up and gets a lawyer. His lawyer can say that maybe the real gunman noticed he looked similar, then switched bags on a bus. It's weak, but it's something. If he tossed it in NYC, he leaves possible DNA at the scene. If he tosses it at home, the cops will likely find it and take his disposal as an admission of guilt. IANAL but while…

He could have stopped at any number of bridges along the way, filled the backpack with bricks, and tossed it into the river.

Re: What we know about CEO shooting suspect

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Post by sladoledar » Tue, Dec 10, 2024, 10:39 AM UTC

agilob wrote: post #529

The wealth gap in 2012 US is larger than it was in pre-revolution France. https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/09/us-inco...

I am not sure this is a fair comparison. Wouldn't this be true if we compare any pre-industrial society with any post-industrial society?

Re: What we know about CEO shooting suspect

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Post by prmoustache » Tue, Dec 10, 2024, 10:40 AM UTC

lazide wrote: post #566

wisty wrote: post #548

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disposing of evidence can sometimes be more incriminating than not. Let's say he shuts up and gets a lawyer. His lawyer can say that maybe the real gunman noticed he looked similar, then switched bags on a bus. It's weak, but it's something. If he tossed it in NYC, he leaves possible DNA at the scene. If he tosses it at home, the cops will likely find it and take his disposal as an admission of guilt. IANAL but while…

He could have stopped at any number of bridges along the way, filled the backpack with bricks, and tossed it into the river.

and could have been caught doing it.

I can see someone planning meticulously the murder, the immediate fleeing thereafter but not the rest. If I remember images, he wasn't wearing gloves so he may have had to clean it before he planned to get rid of it. Plus he may have hit hiccups in the process that may have derailed part of his plans. The fact he had cash both in local and foreign money probably means he had planned to move out of the country but was kind of waiting for the dust to settle.

Re: What we know about CEO shooting suspect

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Post by torginus » Tue, Dec 10, 2024, 10:40 AM UTC

likeabatterycar wrote: post #508

xyst wrote: post #491

A couple of theories: - person clearly had meticulously planned the execution of the hit and exfiltration. Even leaving red herrings on his way out of the city (backpack full of Monopoly money). Yet clumsily keeps _all_ of the evidence that would implicate himself in this murder. Not to mention he is wandering about in public while a multi-state manhunt is underway with the full weight of alphabet soup agencies, and…

Educated people tend to overestimate their abilities outside their domain. We've all known someone with an "I can do anything" complex. Anyone can do anything... poorly. He likely deluded himself into believing he already outsmarted the cops so why even bother. Having two degrees doesn't make one a competent plumber, electrician, or in this case, criminal.

To be fair, if you are very smart / quite determined to pick up a skill / have a good mentor, you can get good enough in a lot of skills, that you can pass off your work as professional quality.

I have seen this happen people do this with programming / CAD / 3D modeling / various crafts etc.

Re: What we know about CEO shooting suspect

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Post by torginus » Tue, Dec 10, 2024, 10:41 AM UTC

breadwinner wrote: post #156

He gave the Unabomber’s manifesto four stars on Goodreads, and described Unabomber as a "political revolutionary". Excerpts from his review: "It’s easy to quickly and thoughtless write this off as the manifesto of a lunatic, in order to avoid facing some of the uncomfortable problems it identifies. But it’s simply impossible to ignore how prescient many of his predictions about modern society turned out." "He was a v…

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