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Post by soheil »

isoprophlex wrote: post #60
yeknoda wrote: post #9

I've found using these and similar tools that the amount of prompts and iteration required to create my vision (image or video in my mind) is very large and often is not able to create what I had originally wanted. A way to test this is to take a piece of footage or an image which is the ground truth, and test how much prompting and editing it takes to get the same or similar ground truth starting from scratch. It is…

And another thing that irks me: none of these video generators get motion right... Especially anything involving fluid/smoke dynamics, or fast dynamic momements of humans and animals all suffer from the same weird motion artifacts. I can't describe it other than that the fluidity of the movements are completely off. And as all genai video tools I've used are suffering from the same problem, I wonder if this is someho…

What's the point of poking holes in new technology and nitpiking like this? Are you blind to the immense breakthroughs made today and yet you focus what irks you about some tiny detail that might go away after a couple of versions?

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Post by miohtama »

bayindirh wrote: post #515
observationist wrote: post #461

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Funny how all the negative uses to which something like this might be put are regulated or criminalized already - if you try to scam someone, commit libel or defamation, attempt widespread fraud, or any of a million nefarious uses, you'll get fined, sued, or go to jail. Would you want Microsoft to claim they're responsible for the "safety" of what you write with Word? For the legality of the numbers you're punching i…

Maybe you should talk with image editor developers, copier/scanner manufacturers and governments about the safeguards they shall implement to prevent counterfeiting money. Because, at the end of the day, counterfeiting money is already illegal. ...and we should not censor tools, and judge people, not the tools they use.

Gimp doesn't have the secret binary blob to "prevent counterfeiting" and there is no flood of forged money

https://www.reddit.com/r/GIMP/comments/3c7i55/does_gimp_have...

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Post by soheil »

beefnugs wrote: post #153
yeknoda wrote: post #9

I've found using these and similar tools that the amount of prompts and iteration required to create my vision (image or video in my mind) is very large and often is not able to create what I had originally wanted. A way to test this is to take a piece of footage or an image which is the ground truth, and test how much prompting and editing it takes to get the same or similar ground truth starting from scratch. It is…

AI isn't trying to sell to you: a precise artist with real vision in your brain. It is selling to managers who want to shit out something in an evening that approximates anything, that writes ads that no one wants to see anyway, that produces surface level examples of how you can pay employees less because "their job is so easy"

You seem to speak from experience of being that manager... I'm not going to ask what you shit out in your evenings.

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Post by silvestrov »

goykasi wrote: post #280

A bit off-topic, but how much does a 4-letter (or less) .com go for these days? I wonder if they bought this via an intermediary so that the seller wouldnt see "OpenAI" and tack on a few zeros. edit: previously, this thread pointed to sora.com

His review video is so much better than the announcement video at explaining what has been released.

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Post by miohtama »

miltonlost wrote: post #530
miohtama wrote: post #437

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Users, not tools, should be judged. It is unlikely anyone is going to perform act of terrorism with this, or any kind of deep fakes that buy Easter European elections. The worst outcome is likely teens having a laugh.

> It is unlikely no one is going to perform act of terrorism with this, or any kind of deep fakes that buy Easter European elections. The worst outcome is likely teens having a laugh. And the teens are having a laugh by... creating deepfake nudes of their classmates? The tools are bad, and the toolmakers should feel deep guilt and shame for what they released on the world. Do you not know the story of Nobel and dynam…

I am sure a school has a way to deal with pupils sharing such images, as the recent cases have proven. Deep fakes or real pictures. It it a social problem with existing framework of decades of proven history and should be dealt so.

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Post by shermantanktop »

troupo wrote: post #405
robotresearcher wrote: post #215

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> Long term, you'll never have a coherent movie produced by stringing together a series of textual snippets because, again, that's just impossible. Why snippets? Submit a whole script the way a writer delivers a movie to a director. The (automated) director/DP/editor could maintain internal visual coherence, while the script drives the story coherence.

You should watch how movies are made sometime. How a script is developed. How changes to it are made. How storyboards are created. How actors are screened for roles. How locations are scouted, booked, and changed. How the gazillion of different departments end up affecting how a movie looks, is produced, made, and in which direction it goes (the wardrobe alone, and its availability and deadlines will have a huge impa…

I can't upvote this enough. This topic in the media space has generated a huge amount of naive speculation that amounts to "how hard could it be to do thing i know nothing about>?"

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Post by echelon »

vlovich123 wrote: post #412
echelon wrote: post #264

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HunYuan released by Tencent [1] is much better than Sora. It's 100% open source, is compatible with fine tuning, ComfyUI, control nets, and is receiving lots of active development. That's not the only open video model, either. Lightricks' LTX, Genmo's Mochi, and Black Forest Labs' upcoming models will all be open source video foundation models. Sora is commoditized like Dall-E at this point. Video will be dominated b…

Something being available OSS is very different from a turnkey product solution, not to mention that Tencent's 60 GiB requirement requires a setup with like at least 3-4 GPUs which is quite rare & fairly expensive vs something time-sharing like Sora where you pay a relatively small amount per video. I think the important thing is task quality and I haven't seen any evaluations of that yet.

> Something being available OSS is very different from a turnkey product solution, not to mention that Tencent's 60 GiB requirement requires a setup with like at least 3-4 GPUs which is quite rare & fairly expensive vs something time-sharing like Sora where you pay a relatively small amount per video.

It took two weeks to go from Mochi running on 8xH100s to running on 3090s. I don't think you appreciate the rapidity at which open source moves in this space.

HunYuan landed less than one week ago with just one modality (text-to-video), and it's already got LoRA training and fine tuning code, Comfy nodes, and control nets. Their roadmap is technically impressive and has many more control levers in scope.

I don't think you realize how "commodity" these models are and how closed off "turn key solutions" quickly get out-innovated by the wider ecosystem: nobody talks about or uses Dall-E to any extent anymore. It's all about open models like Flux and Stable Diffusion.

{Text/Image/Video}-to-Video is an inadequate modality for creative work anyway, and OpenAI is already behind on pairing other types of input with their models. This is something that the open ecosystem is excelling at. We have perfect syncing to dance choreography, music reactive textures, and character consistency. Sora has none of that and will likely never have those things.

> something time-sharing like Sora where you pay a relatively small amount per video.

Creators would prefer to run all of this on their own machines rather than pay for hosted SaaS that costs them thousands of dollars.

And for those that do prefer SaaS, there are abundant solutions for running hosted Comfy and a constellation of other models as on-demand.

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Post by cma »

sergiogdr wrote: post #445
computerex wrote: post #416

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They should have kept this amazing tech under the wraps because you have a bad feeling about it? Hate to break it to you, but there have been fake videos on the internet ever since it has existed. There are more ways to fake videos than GenAI. If you haven't been consuming everything on the internet with a high alert bs sensor, then that's an issue of its own. You shouldn't trust things on the internet anyway unless…

> If you haven't been consuming everything on the internet with a high alert bs sensor, then that's an issue of its own "just be privileged as I was to get all the necessary education to be able to not be fooled by this tech". Yeah, very realistic and compassionate.

With a heavy dose of "if masses of people are fooled by this, it can't affect me as long as I can see through it. No possible repercussions of mass people believing completely made up stuff that could affect laws, etc."

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Post by miohtama »

tshaddox wrote: post #541
miohtama wrote: post #437

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Users, not tools, should be judged. It is unlikely anyone is going to perform act of terrorism with this, or any kind of deep fakes that buy Easter European elections. The worst outcome is likely teens having a laugh.

There are certain tools for which we heavily restrict which users have access to the entire supply chain. That's still about users, I suppose, but it's also about tools.

In China, the whole Internet is heavily restricted. Bad tools.

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Post by tim333 »

starshadowx2 wrote: post #309
lelandfe wrote: post #285

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I saw my first AI video that completely fooled commenters: https://imgur.com/a/cbjVKMU This was not marked as AI-generated and commenters were in awe at this fuzzy train, missing the "AIGC" signs. I'm quite nervous for the future.

The face of the girl on the left at the start in the first second should have been a giveaway.

Also "HELLO KITTY" being backwards is odd - writting on trains doesn't normally come out like that eg https://www.groupe-sncf.com/medias-publics/styles/crop_1_1/p...
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