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Re: M4 Mac mini's efficiency

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Post by AlchemistCamp »

gield wrote: post #482
AlchemistCamp wrote: post #470

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If you continue reading the sentence, it gets even more bizarre: > it's around €650, including VAT. Whatever taxes and discounts apply to the commenter’s own idiosyncratic situation have nothing to do with the price of the product. A couple of years ago, I might have cared what the price of an M2 with Pasadena sales taxes was since I lived there at the time, but I sure wouldn’t have included them when talking about A…

Outside of North America, it would be bizarre to not include VAT. Anytime you see the € or £ symbol, you can assume it's VAT included.

I am outside of North America and have been for about 3/4 of my adult life.

The issue with adding VAT to prices on a forum with people living in a lot of different places is that VAT rates vary greatly from place to place.

To get an idea what an Apple product costs, it's more helpful to look at the price charged prior to taxes, tax deductions, educational discounts and other factors that will depend entirely on the specific cases of each reader.

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Post by bzzzt »

s6af7ygt wrote: post #514
henryfjordan wrote: post #141

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It's a way of signaling how the product should be used. Plug it in, hit the power button, put it down, and never turn it off again. For many users that's probably the only time they will ever interact with that button (or want to). I actually think it's a really good choice and shows Apple really understands design. And with the relatively low power consumption it makes sense. It's not like it's drawing a ton of powe…

Zero power draw is still less than a little power draw. A couple million of these babies running on idle is a considerable amount of power. Please, turn off devices when you're not using them.

Any modern computer system uses a lot of power for a few minutes after bootup. If you use the machine a few times per day you're wasting energy (and your own time) by turning it off instead of using sleep mode.

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Post by spacedcowboy »

objektif wrote: post #524
spacedcowboy wrote: post #67

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I have a Mac mini backed by an Areca 24-bay Thunderbolt disk-array in the rack in the garage. Works like a dream.

Sorry not knowledgeable about this but do you use this as NAS? What software do you use?

MacOS has built-in file sharing via SMB. It also has built-in VNC for graphically administering the server, built-in ssh/sftp, built-in rsync for backup, etc. etc.

Basically I just use the OS.

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Post by signa11 »

ramassnel1 wrote: post #522

What i am thinking right now is, what we can push the M4 Chip to the Maximum of its power? i've seen a lot of people using it for LLM, making cluster with ExoLab. It's amazing how its perform with such an efficiency.

it would really be nice to run vpp (https://s3-docs.fd.io/vpp/25.02/ on this machine, packet forwarding with pico-joules/packet would be excellent.

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Post by objektif »

spacedcowboy wrote: post #563
objektif wrote: post #524

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Sorry not knowledgeable about this but do you use this as NAS? What software do you use?

MacOS has built-in file sharing via SMB. It also has built-in VNC for graphically administering the server, built-in ssh/sftp, built-in rsync for backup, etc. etc. Basically I just use the OS.

I see thank you. I dream to setup something like iCloud but with open source software and hosted at home :) Not sure if there is anything like that out there.

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Post by awiesenhofer »

geerlingguy wrote: post #143
00deadbeef wrote: post #136

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The comment in the article is in the context of rack mounting them which is a common thing to do with Mac minis. Having it on the bottom makes it hard to press as you can’t lift them up when they’re secured in a mount.

Exactly this. I am working on a solution to make it easier to hit the button from the front of a rack shelf, but the fact I have to mess with 3D printing just to hit a power button is silly. Older Macs also had the power button on the back, which was also annoying, but at least a Mac that's secured to a shelf could have its power button pressed pretty easily. The Mac mini _requires_ a mechanism to press up from the b…

Genuine question: why not just use a managed pdu and be done with it? No need to even get up and go to the DC/Rack.

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Post by awiesenhofer »

objektif wrote: post #565
spacedcowboy wrote: post #563

Earlier quoted context omitted.

MacOS has built-in file sharing via SMB. It also has built-in VNC for graphically administering the server, built-in ssh/sftp, built-in rsync for backup, etc. etc. Basically I just use the OS.

I see thank you. I dream to setup something like iCloud but with open source software and hosted at home :) Not sure if there is anything like that out there.

nextcloud.com comes to mind.

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Post by wink »

azinman2 wrote: post #433
afavour wrote: post #428

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> it made charging annoying and flow-breaking enough that people would put it off as long as possible — which would make people realize that the Magic Mouse's battery lasted for weeks on a charge At a certain point this just reads like Apple apologia. They made a mouse you can’t use while it’s charging as a means to advertise how long the battery lasts? What?

But it’s not an apology, it’s the right design decision. The battery charges to a usable amount extremely quickly, and if you could plug it in all the time most would, which defeats the point.

Please explain how it's in my best interest that I must use my peripherals wirelessly. The only wireless mouse I have ever owned is in my work bag, so I have one wherever I go, it's not for regular use and I have zero problems with mouse cables, for the actual 30th year this December.

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Post by AlchemistCamp »

shmel wrote: post #530
AlchemistCamp wrote: post #470

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you continue reading the sentence, it gets even more bizarre: > it's around €650, including VAT. Whatever taxes and discounts apply to the commenter’s own idiosyncratic situation have nothing to do with the price of the product. A couple of years ago, I might have cared what the price of an M2 with Pasadena sales taxes was since I lived there at the time, but I sure wouldn’t have included them when talking about A…

What is the point of not including VAT? You still have to pay it. It is not like you move across the continent just to pay a few percents less.

You're saying this to someone who twice took a 24-hour train from Beijing to Hong Kong to buy an Apple computer for 27% less due to HK not having an additional electronics tax.

A lot of my friends in Taiwan used to buy macs in HK for the same reason.

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