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Post by OkGoDoIt »

knallfrosch wrote: post #539
baron816 wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Now if only they could figure out how to allow charging the Magic Mouse while it’s being used. I guess that technology is still years away.

I got a Logitech MX Vertical that you can charge while using. But why would I ever do that? I charge it 3 times per year when I'm going for lunch and that's that.

I generally get a notification I need to charge my mouse when I’m in the middle of using it. It’s nice to be able to plug it in without interrupting my workflow. If instead I ignore the charge notification and keep working on what I was working on, I generally then forget to plug it in however many hours later when I’ve finished work. After enough cycles of this, it dies entirely. Sure it only happens a few times a year, but you would think Apple of all companies would get this right.

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Post by massysett »

jprd wrote: post #235

I love the innovation Apple has brought with their investment in ARM. That said, I can't imagine buying a computer in the 21st century that can't be opened and upgraded, especially with a price premium attached. I just don't get it. I am in no way trying to be combative, but I'd love to hear a counterpoint that makes sense for these machines.

The computer that can be opened is larger and more janky. Most users derive absolutely no utility from ability to open the machine, as they will never open it. They do however benefit from a smaller, more aesthetic computer.

I have plenty of space next to my desk for a mini-tower computer - something like a Micro ATX. Since trading it for an ultra small form factor that's the size of a paperback book, I wouldn't go back to the larger one. The smaller one is just less janky, and I sometimes remove the computer from the desk entirely to convert the room to another use. The smaller computer is easier to throw into a box.

Sure I could do all of this with the micro ATX, but since the upgradeability did nothing for me, I might as well take the smaller size.

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by VogonPoetry »

robotresearcher wrote: post #321
piinbinary wrote: post #11

It's frustrating how disposable these are designed to be edit: e.g. screen replacements cost nearly as much as the entire computer

I bet iMacs are some of the longest-average-lifetime computers out there. But I’m sad that the 27” models are obsolete computers and still-wonderful screens, and Apple removed the use-as-screen mode.

That feature was available and only possible with specific Intel chips. It went away because Intel stopped supporting it. Sad the feature didn't come back to life in the AppleSilicon iMac.

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by rootusrootus »

jmspring wrote: post #550
rootusrootus wrote: post #548

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People say this as if Apple hadn't already been adding USB-C to their iOS devices for several years. There were pretty good reasons for holding off USB-C for the iPhone. It was likely to alienate a good number of customers. I doubt Europe had anything to do with the timing.

"good reasons"? What would be those?

Cables are the obvious one, as someone else mentioned. But I think people forget how many accessories have been sold (e.g. FLIR cameras [0]) that were Lightning only. Switching the phone to USB-C renders those expensive accessories obsolete.

[0] https://www.flir.com/products/flir-one-gen-3

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by sangnoir »

jmspring wrote: post #550
rootusrootus wrote: post #548

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People say this as if Apple hadn't already been adding USB-C to their iOS devices for several years. There were pretty good reasons for holding off USB-C for the iPhone. It was likely to alienate a good number of customers. I doubt Europe had anything to do with the timing.

"good reasons"? What would be those?

Fat margins on licensing Lighting accessories were good for Apple.

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Post by brendoelfrendo »

colejohnson66 wrote: post #551
jmspring wrote: post #550

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"good reasons"? What would be those?

I've seen countless people upset that Apple is now "forcing" them to throw away their perfectly good cables again (to replace with USB-C).

People have crazy long memories to consider this as happening "again," seeing as the lightning connector has been around for 12 years.

Who are the folks that only have one device, anyway? Surely almost everyone who owns a smartphone has at least one USB-C cable kicking around for something else?

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Post by fensizor »

WillPostForFood wrote: post #366

Right now, the Apple computer lineup is totally out of alignment for me. The iMac is too small and the laptops are too big. I'd like a minimum 27" display for the iMac, maybe 31". For a laptop, give me something more portable, like the old 2 pound, 12" MacBook.

13 inch Air is small enough. Get yourself an iPad if it's still big for you ffs

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by gpm »

throwaway48476 wrote: post #546
gpm wrote: post #537

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> AMD Linux drivers > Unfortunately, as of writing, AMD GPUs do not have HDMI 2.1 so you cannot use an 8K TV in 8K 60 Hz mode unless you use a DisplayPort to HDMI adapter. Interesting workaround! This hadn't occurred to me at all as a solution when I read about the HDMI 2.1 driver licensing issue. Edit: Added "AMD Linux drivers" to quotation.

This is wrong. I have used a AMD 6600XT with 8K 60hz VRR over HDMI.

On linux? What drivers are you using?

It's been pretty widely supported that the "HDMI Forum" (licensing body) has blocked AMD from supporting HDMI 2.1 (necessary for 8k 60hz over hdmi) in their open source linux drivers - which I thought was the only set of drivers available. For example: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/02/hdmi-forum-to-amd-no...

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Post by notinmykernel »

square_usual wrote: post #406
baron816 wrote: post #48

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Now if only they could figure out how to allow charging the Magic Mouse while it’s being used. I guess that technology is still years away.

The people who like the magic mouse (not me) don't care, and the people who even otherwise would never use a magic mouse get to keep making fun of it. Why would they bother?

I like the magic mouse, and I care that I can't charge it while using it. I also care that I have to activate bluetooth in order to use it, even if it's plugged in. Same with the keyboard. WTFF.

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Post by jjtheblunt »

SurgeArrest wrote: post #530

Reading this on 2017 iMac 27" - is the first 5k iMac that couldn't be used as a monitor after the computer inside is irrelevant. I hope EU will push for some law that requires all AIO computers to work in monitor-only mode if internal hardware is no longer good enough or no longer supported by software updates. I love the 5k screen on this iMac but the CPU is too old for photo or video editing as software got so much…

> Apple is only "green" in their presentations - in reality they care more about inifite sales only.

needs citation. I say this as someone who worked several years in engineering at Apple, and they were extremely environmentally conscientious years before it was a thing.

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