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Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by roywiggins »

afh1 wrote: post #542
altairprime wrote: post #439

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At “the public” Internet scale, if a hundred million people click Generate, imagine if Meta ends up paying a million dollars instantaneously. - How many clicks of Generate are budgeted for? - How many clicks should each user’s quota be? - How much advertising revenue will be earned per click? - Why should they give away a million dollars? Right now, AI costs for this are so high that offering this feature ‘for free’…

Just release the model and anyone can run locally, there is no cost except for the end user. Meta has the cash flow to do this if they wanted.

Meta probably doesn't want people generating porn (and worse) with their models or derivations of their models, for obvious reputational reasons.

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by [deleted] »

mitthrowaway2 wrote: post #541
layer8 wrote: post #447

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Just stop taking any video you see at face value? People managed without videos before video cameras were available, and the written word was never reliable to start with. Maybe the future won’t be that different?

So this is basically a regression to a 19th-century level in terms of being able to trust and understand reporting on the world beyond our own front door. People managed before photographic and video evidence was a thing; you could use eyewitness reports from trusted friends and news on the official telegraphs, to the extent that those were trustworthy. But it's certainly still a big step backward from the 20th centu…

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Re: Meta Movie Gen

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bee_rider wrote: post #538
Twisell wrote: post #445

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Most probably they employ overseas, underpaid workers with non-standard English accents and so they include text-to-speach in the production process to smoothen the end result. I won't argue wether text to speech qualifies as an AI but I agree they must be making bank.

I wonder if they are making bank. Seems like a race to the bottom, there’s no barrier to entry, right?

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Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by throw310822 »

The porntential is immense.

Seriously though. This is the company that is betting hard on VR goggles. And these are engines that can produce real time dreams, 3d, photographic quality, obedient to our commands. No 3d models needed, no physics simulations, no ray tracing, no prebuilt environments and avatars. All simply dreamed up in real time, as requested by the user in natural language. It might be one of the most addictive technologies ever invented.

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by homefree »

jetrink wrote: post #450
lopis wrote: post #52

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I assure you that's not enough. These are high quality videos. Once they get uploaded to social media, compression mostly makes imperfections go away. And it's been shown that when people are not expecting AI content, they are much less likely to realize they are looking at AI. I would 100% believe most of these videos were real if caught off guard.

A friend who lives in North Carolina sent me a video of the raging floodwaters in his state- at least that's what the superimposed text claimed it was. When I looked closer, it was clearly an Indian city filled with Indian people and Indian cars. He hadn't noticed anything except the flood water. It reminded me of that famous selective attention test video[1]. I won't ruin it for those who haven't seen it, but it's a…

People believe false things easily if it confirms their priors. Confirmation bias is strong.

Fake images play into that, but they don't need to be AI generated for that to be true, it's been true forever.

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by allturtles »

garrettgarcia wrote: post #551
PhearTheCeal wrote: post #308

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When I read that text my first thought was making some videos of my mom that passed away, since so few videos of her exist and pictures don't capture her personality

The fact that your first thought was how you could use this amazing tech to remember a lost family member who you love, and OP's first thought was that it could be used for evil so it shouldn't exist says a ton about each of you.

Well I think the second use sounds creepy, too. I'm sure that says a ton about me.

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by atomic128 »

bee_rider wrote: post #538
Twisell wrote: post #445

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most probably they employ overseas, underpaid workers with non-standard English accents and so they include text-to-speach in the production process to smoothen the end result. I won't argue wether text to speech qualifies as an AI but I agree they must be making bank.

I wonder if they are making bank. Seems like a race to the bottom, there’s no barrier to entry, right?

Right, content creators are in a race to the bottom.

But the people who position themselves to profit from the energy consumption of the hardware will profit from all of it: the LLMs, the image generators, the video generators, etc. See discussion yesterday: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41733311

Imagine the number of worthless images being generated as people try to find one they like. Slop content creators iterate on a prompt, or maybe create hundreds of video clips hoping to find one that gets views. This is a compute-intensive process that consumes an enormous amount of energy.

The market for chips will fragment, margins will shrink. It's just matrix multiplication and the user interface is PyTorch or similar. Nvidia will keep some of its business, Google's TPUs will capture some, other players like Tenstorrent (https://tenstorrent.com/hardware/grayskull) and Groq and Cerebras will capture some, etc.

But at the root of it all is the electricity demand. That's where the money will be made. Data centers need baseload power, preferably clean baseload power.

Unless hydro is available, the only clean baseload power source is nuclear fission. As we emerge from the Fukushima bear market where many uranium mining companies went out of business, the bottleneck is the fuel: uranium.

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by visarga »

chefandy wrote: post #205
visarga wrote: post #141

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> Insisting on the bare minimum human involvement as a feature is just a non starter for me if something is presented as art You can make the guidance as superficial or detailed as you like. Input detailed descriptions, use real images as reference, you can spend a minute or a day on it. If you prompt "cute dog" you should expect generic outputs. If you write half a screen with detailed instructions, you can expect i…

It's still very different. What you describe is exactly what an art director does, which is creative and difficult— there's a good reason many commercial artists end their careers as art directors but none start there. Anybody that says making things that look good and interesting using generative AI is easy or doesn't require genuine creativity is just being a naysayer. However, at most, the art director is credited…

> your still working with other people's borrowed humanity usefully pureed and reformed by a machine

Exactly, isn't it amazing? You can travel the latent space of human culture in any direction. It's an endless mirror house where you can explore. I find it an inspiring experience, it's like a microscope that allows zooming into anything.

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by maxwell »

afh1 wrote: post #549
mitthrowaway2 wrote: post #541

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So this is basically a regression to a 19th-century level in terms of being able to trust and understand reporting on the world beyond our own front door. People managed before photographic and video evidence was a thing; you could use eyewitness reports from trusted friends and news on the official telegraphs, to the extent that those were trustworthy. But it's certainly still a big step backward from the 20th centu…

Photographic evidence has been subject to manipulation before computers were even a thing, more so after Photoshop became widely available. There has always been forensics for that, which will continue to evolve. I think the issue with trust is rooted elsewhere - in social relations, politics, and not in AI generated content.

What remaining institutions still command any trust?

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by roywiggins »

typeofhuman wrote: post #363
gcr wrote: post #281

> Upload an image of yourself and transform it > into a personalized video. Movie Gen’s > cutting-edge model lets you create personalized > videos that preserve human identity and motion. A stalker’s dream! I’m sure my ex is going to love all the videos I’m going to make of her! Jokes aside, it’s a little bizarre to me that they treat identity preservation as a feature while competitors treat that as a bug, explicitl…

I'm surprised this hasn't already been done (or I'm not aware of it)... Step 1. Train AI on pornographic videos Step 2. Feed AI images of your ex Step 3. Profit

it very much has been done

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deepfake_pornography

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