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10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by refurb »

zdragnar wrote: post #40
vundercind wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A bunch of Floridians who are, or are descended from, folks who had their land and businesses seized during the revolution are holding grudges and won’t let go of them until they’re given their stuff back or a ton of money, which, this far on, isn’t happening. Florida is important in Presidential elections. US elections are structured such that dumb stuff like a relatively small—but loud—and also hopeless interest in…

I think that's really underselling the political persecution that many have suffered in Cuba. It's far and away from just wanting reparations for land grabs. We have sanctions on Cuba for the same reason we have sanctions on Russia and Venezuela now- we don't want to fund what their government is doing, and allying with them gives us little to nothing in return. That said, it's pretty obvious that economic sanctions…

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Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by pizzafeelsright »

gdwatson wrote: post #540
PentiumBug wrote: post #290

As a Cuban that is currently living in Cuba, I think it might be useful to voice my opinions, as I have read some comments here which I consider less than accurate in some respects. To avoid typing too much, I'll summarize with... bullet points? * The published figure of 10 million people is already outdated. First, they are official figures, which means that they are not telling the truth. Second, six months have el…

> Is Cuba a dictatorship? No. Would you clarify what you mean by this? Does the first secretary of the Communist party no longer have de facto dictatorial power?

When I was there the painted picture I was taught was different than what I saw.

I am not a dictator in my house. No one would say that either. They would say I do make the rules and have final authority. Can I determine our living conditions? Yes. I try to run a good house and love those under my care. We are communists in practice. Not by name.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by incahoots »

seniorivn wrote: post #23
chaorace wrote: post #16

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The current U.S. position towards Cuba continues to puzzle me. Their geopolitical stance is nowhere near being on the same level as North Korea or Iran. Given Cuba's proximity and relative productive capacity you'd think that we'd be easy allies if only they hadn't upset a bunch of dead politicians 60 years ago.

They are a hostile dictatorship, with zero resources but their oppressed people. Why would USA be interested in allying with them?

What difference does its government make when you purposely employ collective punishment via embargo?

For a country that prides itself as “democracy driven and human rights protector” it sure seems just as hostile as the supposed acting government.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by goatlover »

incahoots wrote: post #547
rubytubido wrote: post #252

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But they did it to protect the planet. We need to enforce "democracy" and spread capitalism.

and agent orange, and destroy literally everything before we tail it back to our own country, not before we tell our vets to “suck it up” and bootstrap their PTSD due to exposure of aforementioned war crimes.

HN is fast becoming reddit with comments like these, sadly.

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Post by defrost »

refurb wrote: post #561
zdragnar wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that's really underselling the political persecution that many have suffered in Cuba. It's far and away from just wanting reparations for land grabs. We have sanctions on Cuba for the same reason we have sanctions on Russia and Venezuela now- we don't want to fund what their government is doing, and allying with them gives us little to nothing in return. That said, it's pretty obvious that economic sanctions…

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I find it odd when people cast "the left" as some kind of homogeneous singular mass.

It seems divorced from reality.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by slater »

goatlover wrote: post #564
incahoots wrote: post #547

Earlier quoted context omitted.

and agent orange, and destroy literally everything before we tail it back to our own country, not before we tell our vets to “suck it up” and bootstrap their PTSD due to exposure of aforementioned war crimes.

HN is fast becoming reddit with comments like these, sadly.

"Please don't post comments saying that HN is turning into Reddit. It's a semi-noob illusion, as old as the hills."

bottom of the hn guidelines:

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by timschmidt »

rpmisms wrote: post #537
timschmidt wrote: post #506

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> Have you seen what the cartel does in Mexico? The ones the DEA has partnered with[0], arms[1], and enables through backward drug policy[2]? 0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinaloa_Cartel#Alleged_collusi... 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal 2: https://insightcrime.org/news/analysis/how-100-years-failed-...

What, you assume I think the government is good? The cartel is worse by a fair margin, but we do not have a virtuous government. The difference is that government has a modicum of public responsibility and can't/isn't likely to simply murder most* of us for no good reason.

Did you find any assumptions in the references I provided? Since you evoked the cartels as a boogeyman it seems relevant to point out that they're one of our own creation. Changes to US policy no greater or more complex than those proposed for immigration could eliminate the economic conditions which drive their violence.

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Post by incahoots »

tehjoker wrote: post #146
WorkerBee28474 wrote: post #109

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> illegitimate and illegal US embargo Illegitimate and illegal according to what authority? Unless you believe in God, there is no higher authority than the US government and its military might.

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Gotta love neocons and liberals voting this down as if you’re making up facts…when it’s objectively the truth

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by incahoots »

goatlover wrote: post #564
incahoots wrote: post #547

Earlier quoted context omitted.

and agent orange, and destroy literally everything before we tail it back to our own country, not before we tell our vets to “suck it up” and bootstrap their PTSD due to exposure of aforementioned war crimes.

HN is fast becoming reddit with comments like these, sadly.

Just to be clear, are you insinuating that my comment is somehow misleading or untrue?

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by jwilber »

defrost wrote: post #527
bufferoverflow wrote: post #511

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> I support immigration and oppose the Republican anti-immigrant platform Republicans are anti-illegal immigration, not anti-immigration. Trump's wife is an immigrant. > because it seems to me there is significant brain drain from many countries to the U.S. and that contributes to our success. It would only be a brain drain if you filter by skills or IQ. But if you just let everyone in, you can make things worse, not…

The FBI data also shows a 59% reduction in the U.S. property crime rate between 1993 and 2022, with big declines in the rates of burglary (-75%), larceny/theft (-54%) and motor vehicle theft (-53%). Using the BJS statistics, the declines in the violent and property crime rates are even steeper than those captured in the FBI data. Per BJS, the U.S. violent and property crime rates each fell 71% between 1993 and 2022.…

“The data says otherwise” in aggregate, up to the year 2022.

Posting aggregate stats just comes off iso a “gotcha” instead of a real discussion involving thought or context, both of which are needed in any discussion including data.

There’s many angles someone could take this.

You mentioned Fox News. They certainly don’t drone about crime in Little Rock — they complain about the “anarchist hellscape” of liberal cities (or whatever superlative they want to call it that hour). The worst of which? HN HQ San Francisco! (fwiw I love SF).

Unfortunately, in stark contrast to your stats, property crime has certainly gone up in San Francisco since 2012 [1]. SF is also a hot destination of migrant relocation busses [2], so is probably a city Fox mentions when it comes to migrant crime.

(Fwiw, Cubans often end up in liberal cities in conservative states, like Miami, Houston, Kentucky, not SF)[3].

Anyways, I have no horse in this race. I’m not really sure what my point is with this tangential response, other than to say your stats require context, and can just as easily factually be opposite to what you wrote, depending on that context.

1 https://www.economist.com/united-states/2019/02/16/property-...

2 https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/20/us/abbott-texas-migrant-b...

3. https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/interactive/2024/...

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