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No thanks, it's run by cryptobros.
The amount of Brave and Kagi spam in this thread is nutso. I can't be convinced it's not coordinated marketing by either or both of them. I'm not saying that there aren't some satisfied customers, but at some point a normal human being says: "Hey, 30 other people posted this. Maybe I shouldn't."
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As I understand it, Brave shipped a white-labelled Chromium, and piggybacked their search results on Bing+Google until they had enough cached results to start using their own index. These are both orders of magnitude easier than building a browser or a search engine from scratch (although they may require similar capital investment)
If you have a web browser that isn’t Firefox, it’s probably Chromium these days. Also irrelevant to the search product. Regarding the search product, you’re suggesting they used to use Bing/Google but now don’t. … Does that not mean they run their own indexers? So you’re just diminishing their value today based on what they used to do?
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They say this: > You can create a Kagi account with any email address including a fake one (we do not care or verify it, it is just an id for logging in) But seeing how they didn't go the Mullvad way, and instead chose to ask for an email during signup and hide this bit of info in a completely separate page, doesn't sit too well with me and comes off as a little bit dishonest (they say they don't need this info but s…
Verbatim from Kagi FAQ: "Why does Kagi Search require an email address? We require an email address to be able to verify the account really belongs to you in the following cases: To handle the account recovery (in case you lose your password) In case you contact us via email with an account related questions (in particular requests to delete your account or change your subscription) To occasionally send product updat…
>> [...] instead chose to ask for an email during signup and hide this bit of info in a completely separate page, [...]
>> they say they don't need this info but sure seems to me they seem to want to have it
>> And part of the message I get from reading their F.A.Q. is that a valid email address might start being required at any time soon.
>> But it's these kinds of mixed signals [...]
If they had presence here in the EU, then at least there would be some legal risk (GDPR) for Kagi if they do the deed and get caught. Higher than their current situation at least, where we only have their word.
> Hopefully DDG will be back soon, as I'm loathe to go back to Google for search. Maybe Kagi is an option for you? I'm very happy with them and exclusively use them for more than a year now after never getting comfortable with DDG.
Came here to praise Kagi (and Brave Search) as well.
I grew up using Google (and ask jeeves and yahoo.) In school, google won. Now, google sucks. It's all ads, AI SEO maxxing, and the work to find useful results has gone up manyfold. I found myself using site:"" to get closer to what I needed. I tried DDG, and it's more or less the same, but it's like the search engine is conspiring against you to more or less find completely useless results. I tried kagi, and i love i…
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If you have a web browser that isn’t Firefox, it’s probably Chromium these days. Also irrelevant to the search product. Regarding the search product, you’re suggesting they used to use Bing/Google but now don’t. … Does that not mean they run their own indexers? So you’re just diminishing their value today based on what they used to do?
Not as irrelevant as it might seem. They do run their own indexers now, but my understanding is that they didn't actually build the index that way. They used the Brave browser traffic to guide which pages to index, which was primarily driven by the Google/Bing search results the browser was vending at that time. it's more of an embrace-extend strategy than a build-from-scratch
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I really don't understand why any technically literate person would be impressed by the "!bang" stuff on DDG. You know your browser already provides this feature, right? Just configure some custom search keywords in your search settings. What does DDG offer that's better than this?
They already set them up for a ton of sites, though, and often you can guess your way to a bang on the first try. I have only looked at the actual list once or twice. Plus it seems to match the closest one in cases of using one that doesn't exist. I can also go to a machine that isn't my own and take advantage of them there right away. I heavily use the quickmarks in qutebrowser, but also the ddg bangs. I just hit O…
I grew up using Google (and ask jeeves and yahoo.) In school, google won. Now, google sucks. It's all ads, AI SEO maxxing, and the work to find useful results has gone up manyfold. I found myself using site:"" to get closer to what I needed. I tried DDG, and it's more or less the same, but it's like the search engine is conspiring against you to more or less find completely useless results. I tried kagi, and i love i…
Their development process seems to be “just say yes to everything that piques your interest” and so even with their steep pricing I’m fairly sure they’ll run out of money quickly.
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So basically DDG is the wrapper for Bing Search, not an "independent" search company as they claim.
https://duckduckgo.com/duckduckgo-help-pages/results/sources... > # Where do DuckDuckGo search results come from? // Most of our search result pages feature one or more Instant Answers. To deliver Instant Answers on specific topics, DuckDuckGo leverages many sources, including specialized sources like Sportradar and crowd-sourced sites like Wikipedia. We also maintain our own crawler (DuckDuckBot) and many indexes to…
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It's 300 searches per month for the cheapest Kagi plan. For me that has been enough so far. Some days I search a lot and then other days almost nothing so on average I never passed the 300/month so far.
Main thing holding me back from even trying it is the mental overhead of having to think about "number of searches per month". Same as an ISP with a bandwidth limit, even if it's much higher than I'm likely to need, it's not something I'm interested in having to keep track of or worry about.
It's refreshing to not have any ads and know there is no hidden agenda behind the search results.