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Re: Leaked OpenAI documents reveal aggressive tactics toward former employees

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Post by CRConrad »

whymauri wrote: post #377
manlobster wrote: post #335

Do OpenAI employees actually get equity in the company (e.g. options or RSUs)? I was under the impression that the company awards "profit units" of some kind, and that many employees aren't sure how they work.

Here's an explanation: https://www.levels.fyi/blog/openai-compensation.html

> Although primarily known for ChatGPT, OpenAI has had a long history since its founding in 2015.

No, "since 2015" is by definition not "a long history".

For a long history, try the principality of San Marino, or (if you want a company) Stora Kopparbergs Bergslags AB. Or one of the Japanese temple-builder family companies. 2015 "a long history" -- wasn't that when I last took a dump?

Re: Leaked OpenAI documents reveal aggressive tactics toward former employees

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Post by perfect_wave »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #504
redbell wrote: post #451

The amount [and scale] of practices, chaos and controversies caused by OpenAI since ChatGPT was released are "on par" with the powerful products it has built since.. in a negative way! These are the hottest controversial events so far , in a chronological order: OpenAI's deviation from its original mission (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34979981). The Altman's Saga (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3830961…

The whole media is _clearly_ threatened by AI. Both subjectively just thinking about it, and objectively seeing things like Google already roll out AI summaries of internet content (saving consumers the need scroll through a power points worth of auto-play ads to read a single paragraphs worth of information.) With the breakneck progress of AI over the last year, there has been a clear trend in the media of "Wow, thi…

The same AI summaries that told people to put glue on pizza? And got mass coverage for providing all sorts of incorrect info?

Re: Leaked OpenAI documents reveal aggressive tactics toward former employees

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Post by WhitneyLand »

hollowpython wrote: post #446
mpweiher wrote: post #432

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I always respond with "if it's never enforced, then you'll be fine with me taking it out" Then I strike the offending passage out on both copies of the contract, sign and hand it back to them. Your move. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Do you really do this, and is striking out a line of a contract binding?

Usually it’s binding, because it’s presumed both parties signed after the changes.

However it can be disputed, and a company could argue about the timing or details.

That’s why you’re often asked to initial changes, makes it clear that both parties have agreed to the modifications.

Re: Leaked OpenAI documents reveal aggressive tactics toward former employees

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Post by WhitneyLand »

mpweiher wrote: post #461
hollowpython wrote: post #446

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you really do this, and is striking out a line of a contract binding?

Yes, I really do this. Have done since I started working. At one of my first jobs as a student employee they offered me a salary X. In the contract there was some lower number Y. When I pointed this out, they said "X includes the bonus. It's not in the contract but we've never not paid it". OK, if this is really guaranteed, you can make that the salary and put it in writing. They did, my salary was X and that year wa…

Verbal agreement has lots of risks.

First you’re offering up a lot of trust to people you might have just started working with.

Or, they could be very trustworthy and just remember things differently. And of course people come and go in companies all the time they just might not be there.

At least if you do a verbal agreement follow it up with an email confirming the details.

Re: Leaked OpenAI documents reveal aggressive tactics toward former employees

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Post by Jach »

mpweiher wrote: post #461
hollowpython wrote: post #446

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you really do this, and is striking out a line of a contract binding?

Yes, I really do this. Have done since I started working. At one of my first jobs as a student employee they offered me a salary X. In the contract there was some lower number Y. When I pointed this out, they said "X includes the bonus. It's not in the contract but we've never not paid it". OK, if this is really guaranteed, you can make that the salary and put it in writing. They did, my salary was X and that year wa…

For one job I also crossed some stuff out, founder was cool with it because he mostly got it from a template. Having actual paper is great for that. At a later job, they insisted on Docusign, which was basically I get an immutable image in a browser to 'electronically sign' with no modifications. It had a section that amounted to a non-compete agreement that I didn't like, but their lawyers didn't really answer me on whether such a thing could be enforced or not given that the company was headquartered in California even though I'd be working out of Washington. I took that as a sign that they probably wouldn't go Amazon on me, at least.

Re: Leaked OpenAI documents reveal aggressive tactics toward former employees

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Post by dang »

CRConrad wrote: post #560
dang wrote: post #423

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's standard moderation on HN to downweight subthreads where the root comment is snarky, unsubstantive, or predictable. Most especially when it is unsubstantive + indignant. This is the most important thing we've figured out about improving thread quality in the last 10 years. But it doesn't vary based on specific persons (not Sam or anyone else). Substantive criticism is fine, but predictable one-liners and that so…

Funny though how all these oh-so-objctive algorithms -- your rule of thumb for weighting threads, "the flamewar detector" on posts, "SNI", etc, etc -- seemingly always just so happen to have the outcome they have. Sorry, you may be (are probably) being perfectly honest and sincere, but... It's still too many coincidences not to give rise to doubts. If about nothing else, then about the weights in your algorithms (the…

> seemingly always just so happen to have the outcome they have.

The key word there is "seemingly". You notice what you're biased to notice and generalize based on that. People with diferent views notice different things and make different generalizations.

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

Re: Leaked OpenAI documents reveal aggressive tactics toward former employees

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Post by CRConrad »

redbell wrote: post #451

The amount [and scale] of practices, chaos and controversies caused by OpenAI since ChatGPT was released are "on par" with the powerful products it has built since.. in a negative way! These are the hottest controversial events so far , in a chronological order: OpenAI's deviation from its original mission (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34979981). The Altman's Saga (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3830961…

Parent comment's links, but (hopefully) clickable.

OpenAI's deviation from its original mission - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34979981

The Altman's Saga – https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38309611).

The return of Altman (within a week) -https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38375239

Musk vs. OpenAI - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39559966

The departure of high-profile employees -

Karpathy: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39365935

Sutskever: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40361128

"Why can’t former OpenAI employees talk?" - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40393121

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