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Statement from Scarlett Johansson on the OpenAI "Sky" voice

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Some people might see some parallel with SBF and see how Altman would try to regulate competition without impeding OpenAI progress

I always mix up those two in my head and have to think which one is which

One is in jail, when it should be two are in jail

Re: Statement from Scarlett Johansson on the OpenAI "Sky" voice

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OpenAI claimed they hired a different professional actor who performed using her own voice [1]. If so, I suspect they’ll be okay in a court of law — having a voice similar to a celebrity isn’t illegal. It’ll likely cheese off actors and performers though. [1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2024/05/20/openai-sa...

Seems like sama may have put a big hole in that argument when he tweeted "her", now it is very easy to say that they knowingly cloned ScarJo's likeness. When will tech leaders learn to stop tweeting.

They can say they had a certain thing in mind, which was to produce something like ‘Her’, and obviously Scarjo would have sold it home for them if she participated. But in lieu of the fact that she didn’t, they still went out and created what they had in mind, which was something LIKE ‘Her’. That doesn’t sound illegal.

Re: Statement from Scarlett Johansson on the OpenAI "Sky" voice

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> Are we seriously saying we can't make voices that are similar to celebrities, when not using their actual voice? They clearly thought it was close enough that they asked for permission, twice. And got two no’s. Going forward with it at that point was super fucked up. It’s very bad to not ask permission when you should. It’s far worse to ask for permission and then ignore the response. Totally ethically bankrupt.

And they could have totally get away with it by never mentioning the name of Scarlett. But of course, that is not what they wanted. Edit: to clarify, since it is not exactly identical voice, or even not that close, they can plausibly deny it, and we never new what their intention was. But in this case, they have clearly created the voice to represent Scarlett's voice to demonstrate the capabilities of their product i…

> since it is not exactly identical voice, or even not that close, they can plausibly deny it

When studios approach an actress A and she refuses, then another actress B takes the role, is that infringing on A's rights? Or should they just scrap the movie?

Maybe if they replicated a scene from the A's movies or there was striking likeness between the voices... but not generally.

Re: Statement from Scarlett Johansson on the OpenAI "Sky" voice

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Well, that statement lays out a damning timeline: - OpenAI approached Scarlett last fall, and she refused. - Two days before the GPT-4o launch, they contacted her agent and asked that she reconsider. (Two days! This means they already had everything they needed to ship the product with Scarlett’s cloned voice.) - Not receiving a response, OpenAI demos the product anyway, with Sam tweeting “her” in reference to Scarle…

With the recent departures at OpenAI it seems that all ethics and morals are going down the drain and OpenAI becoming the big-bully.

There were never any. None of the models or code are actually open. It claims to be a nonprofit but is effectively a for profit company pulling the strings of a nonprofit just to avoid taxes.

Re: Statement from Scarlett Johansson on the OpenAI "Sky" voice

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It'd be fine to not negotiate if you weren't going to use a voice that sounded famous. If I were offering something that let you make any kind of voice you want, I would definitely not market any voice that sounded familiar in any way. Let the users do that (which would happen almost immediately after launch). I would use a generic employee in the example, or the CEO, or I'd go get the most famous person I could affo…

Sounds judicious. You probably wouldn't get sued, and would prevail if sued. However, the question of how much human voice space Scarlett can lay claim to remains unsettled. Your example suggests that it might be quite a bit, if law and precedent causes people to take the CYA route. Consider the hypothetical: EvilAI, Inc. would secretly like to piggyback on the success of Her. They hire Nancy Schmo for their training…

I know toying with these edge cases is the “curious” part of HN discussions, but I can’t help but think of this xkcd: https://xkcd.com/1494/

Re: Statement from Scarlett Johansson on the OpenAI "Sky" voice

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Well, that statement lays out a damning timeline: - OpenAI approached Scarlett last fall, and she refused. - Two days before the GPT-4o launch, they contacted her agent and asked that she reconsider. (Two days! This means they already had everything they needed to ship the product with Scarlett’s cloned voice.) - Not receiving a response, OpenAI demos the product anyway, with Sam tweeting “her” in reference to Scarle…

Does it really cost a to train one voice? Seems pretty reckless to not have alternatives just in case Scarlett refused.

Probably 5-10 minutes worth of dataset and GPU time for finetuning on an existing base model. Could be done on a Blu-ray rip or an in-person audition recording, legality and ethics aside.

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Effective Altruists are just shitty utilitarians that never take into account all the myriad ways that unmoderated utilitarianism has horrific failure modes. Their hubris will walk them right into federal prison for fraud if they’re not careful. If Effective Altruists want to speed the adoption of AI with the general public, they’d do well to avoid talking about it, lest the general public make a connection between E…

This is like attributing the crimes of a few fundamentalists to an entire religion.

Effective Altruists are the fundamentalists though. So no, it's not.
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