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Post by xanderlewis »

victorbjorklund wrote: post #558
krunck wrote: post #460

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Yes, that would be great. But without the ability for us to verify this who's to say they won't use the edge resources(your computer and electricity) to process data(your data) and then send the results to their data center? It would certainly save them a lot of money.

If you trust that Apple doesn't film you with the camera when you use the phone while sitting on the toilet. Why wouldn't you trust Apple now? It would have to be a huge conspiracy with all Apples employees. And you can easily just listen to the network and see if they do it or not.

I find it somewhat hard to believe that wouldn’t be in contravention of some law or other. Or am I wrong?

Of course we can then worry that companies are breaking the law, but you have to draw the line somewhere… and what have they to gain anyway?

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Post by littlestymaar »

bamboozled wrote: post #543
andsoitis wrote: post #539

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In case it is not abundantly clear by now: Apple's AI strategy is to put inference (and longer term even learning) on edge devices. This is completely coherent with their privacy-first strategy (which would be at odds with sending data up to the cloud for processing). Their primary business goal is to sell hardware. Yes, they’ve diversified into services and being a shopping mall for all, but it is about selling lu…

As soon as the privacy thing goes away, I'd say a major part of their customer base goes away too. Most people use android so they don't get "hacked" if Apple is doing the hacking, I'd just buy a cheaper alternative.

Apple only pivoted into the “privacy” branding relatively recently [1] and I don't think that many people came for that reason alone. In any case, most are now trapped into the walled garden and the effort to escape is likely big enough. And there's no escape anyway, since Google will always make Android worse in that regard…

[1] in 2013 they even marketed their “eBeacon” technology as a way for retail stores to monitor and track their customers which…

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Post by nomel »

s1k3s wrote: post #538
rsp1984 wrote: post #457

Together with next-generation ML accelerators in the CPU, the high-performance GPU, and higher-bandwidth unified memory, the Neural Engine makes M4 an outrageously powerful chip for AI. In case it is not abundantly clear by now: Apple's AI strategy is to put inference (and longer term even learning) on edge devices. This is completely coherent with their privacy-first strategy (which would be at odds with sending dat…

For everyone else who doesn't understand what this means, he's saying Apple wants you to be able to run models on their devices, just like you've been doing on nvidia cards for a while.

I think he's saying they want to make local AI a first class, default, capability, which is very unlike buying a $1k peripheral to enable it. At this point (though everyone seems to be working on it), other companies need to include a gaming GPU in every laptop, and tablet now (lol), to enable this.

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Post by asow92 »

al_borland wrote: post #377
asow92 wrote: post #332

Why are we running these high end CPUs on tablets without the ability to run pro apps like Xcode? Until I can run Xcode on an iPad (not Swift Playgrounds), it's a pass for me. Hear me out: I don't want to bring both an iPad and Macbook on trips, but I need Xcode. Because of this, I have to pick the Macbook every time. I want an iPad, but the iPad doesn't want me.

WWDC is a month away. I’m hoping for some iPadOS updates to let people actually take advantage of the power they put in these tablets. Apple has often released new hardware before showing off new OS features to take advantage of it. I know people have been hoping for that for a long time, so I’m not holding my breath.

My guess is that WWDC will be more focused on AI this year, but I will remain hopeful.

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Post by ajuc »

ben_w wrote: post #512
dheera wrote: post #483

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> This is completely coherent with their privacy-first strategy Apple has never been privacy-first in practice. They give you the illusion of privacy but in reality it's a closed-source system and you are forced to trust Apple with your data. They also make it a LOT harder than Android to execute your own MITM proxies to inspect what exact data is being sent about you by all of your apps including the OS itself.

You say that like open source isn't also an illusion of trust. The reality is, there's too much to verify, and not enough interest for the "many eyeballs make all bugs shallow" argument. We are, all of us, forced to trust, forced to go without the genuine capacity to verify. It's not great, and the best we can do is look for incentives and try to keep those aligned.

Open source is like democracy. Imperfect and easy to fuck up, but still by far the best thing available.

Apple is absolutism. Even the so called "enlightened" absolutism is still bad compared to average democracy.

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Post by littlestymaar »

EduardoBautista wrote: post #13

The 256gb and 512gb models have 8gb of ram. The 1tb and 2tb models have 16gb. Not a fan of tying ram to storage. https://www.apple.com/ipad-pro/specs/

> 8gb of ram.

WTF? Why so little? That's insane to me, that's the amount of RAM you get with a mid-range android phone.

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Post by kernal »

rsp1984 wrote: post #457

Together with next-generation ML accelerators in the CPU, the high-performance GPU, and higher-bandwidth unified memory, the Neural Engine makes M4 an outrageously powerful chip for AI. In case it is not abundantly clear by now: Apple's AI strategy is to put inference (and longer term even learning) on edge devices. This is completely coherent with their privacy-first strategy (which would be at odds with sending dat…

> This is completely coherent with their privacy-first strategy

How can they have a privacy first strategy when they operate an Ad network and have their Chinese data centers run by state controlled companies?

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Post by jocaal »

serial_dev wrote: post #549
andsoitis wrote: post #539

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In case it is not abundantly clear by now: Apple's AI strategy is to put inference (and longer term even learning) on edge devices. This is completely coherent with their privacy-first strategy (which would be at odds with sending data up to the cloud for processing). Their primary business goal is to sell hardware. Yes, they’ve diversified into services and being a shopping mall for all, but it is about selling lu…

It doesn't need to stay true forever. The alternative is Google / Android devices and OpenAI wrapper apps, both of which usually offer a half baked UI, poor privacy practices, and a completely broken UX when the internet connection isn't perfect. Pair this with the completely subpar Android apps, Google dropping support for an app about once a month, and suddenly I'm okay with the lesser of two evils. I know they are…

> better for edge AI than whatever is out there, so I'm looking forward to this

What exactly are you expecting? The current hype for AI is large language models. The word 'large' has a certain meaning in that context. Much larger that can fit on your phone. Everyone is going crazy about edge AI, what am I missing?

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Post by strangescript »

rsp1984 wrote: post #457

Together with next-generation ML accelerators in the CPU, the high-performance GPU, and higher-bandwidth unified memory, the Neural Engine makes M4 an outrageously powerful chip for AI. In case it is not abundantly clear by now: Apple's AI strategy is to put inference (and longer term even learning) on edge devices. This is completely coherent with their privacy-first strategy (which would be at odds with sending dat…

The fundamental problem with this strategy is model size. I want all my apps to be privacy first with local models, but there is no way they can share models in any kind of coherent way. Especially when good apps are going to fine tune their models. Every app is going to be 3GB+

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Post by nomel »

SpaceManNabs wrote: post #551
rsp1984 wrote: post #457

Together with next-generation ML accelerators in the CPU, the high-performance GPU, and higher-bandwidth unified memory, the Neural Engine makes M4 an outrageously powerful chip for AI. In case it is not abundantly clear by now: Apple's AI strategy is to put inference (and longer term even learning) on edge devices. This is completely coherent with their privacy-first strategy (which would be at odds with sending dat…

This comment is odd. I wouldn't say it is misleading, but it is odd because it borders on such definition. > Apple's AI strategy is to put inference (and longer term even learning) on edge devices This is pretty much everyone's strategy. Model distillation is huge because of this. This goes in line with federated learning. This goes in line with model pruning too. And parameter efficient tuning and fine tuning and pr…

> This is pretty much everyone's strategy.

I think this is being too charitable on the state of "everyone". It's everyone's goal. Apple is actively achieving that goal, with their many year strategy of in house silicon/features.

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