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Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by antifa »

082349872349872 wrote: post #402
eloisius wrote: post #396

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> We really need music search which follows more interesting routes through content rather than just 'people who like this also like' or 'here's another album by someone you already listen to'. I agree with this so much. We've had about a decade of this kind of robo-curation in every single aspect of our media consumption. Read books like the ones you like, listen to bands like the ones you listen to, more videos lik…

I suspect it's the notion of a "feed" that's at fault, but then again I'm an old codger who likes to rummage in the cupboard and actively search for my content instead of being stuck in the high chair and passively waiting for somebody else's algorithm to feed it to me. (in another domain, at some restaurants it's possible to order dishes which don't appear on their menu)

I think feeds are practical, it's just that pretty much all mainstream non-RSS feeds are designed to take control away from you and stand in your way, rather than let you be free to explore and discover.

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Post by iraqmtpizza »

goosejuice wrote: post #501
iraqmtpizza wrote: post #460

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If you consider the top charting music and the typical fart noises uploaded to soundcloud which have 3 listens, yes it is worse. If you're only considering your 25 favorite new songs out of tens of millions then sure, it's better. But also there is recency/novelty bias which counteracts and may overcome any past/nostalgia bias In conclusion, if all you're doing is listening to music alone in your apartment then it's…

Music only matters to the producer and the listener. It's deeply personal. I think you're missing the point.

This sounds like a parody of Western individualism

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Post by mellosouls »

BenFranklin100 wrote: post #560
mellosouls wrote: post #466

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how quickly you’ve leapt to cognitive decline betrays an underlying ageism This is a belief I've developed over years, I used to believe the same as everybody else - that social etc factors like raising kids got in the way. But its too universal within pop music (and I think some other fields mentioned in another comment) to be explained as anything but age-related cognitive decline - which by definition will be "age…

If you sincerely believe people undergo a steep cognitive decline starting at the age of 30, at least you will have the comfort of a soft landing.

No, it starts earlier in outputs-manifestation when it comes to the outliers in some creative pursuits like those mentioned.

Most people won't experience it in effect (in the end products of their creative output) as most people aren't outliers producing brilliant work.

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Post by pat64 »

I’m in the the unique (and at times, unenviable) position of spending the last 4-5 years building out a music app (getradiant.app for the curious) and I agree with what others are saying here, it’s about exposure.

My music taste has expanded and shifted a lot in the past half decade, which also happens to coincide with the first half of my 30s, mainly because I’m exposed to new stuff constantly through my consistent testing of my app.

Your 30s is typically when people start noticing the growth of the circle representing their radius of musical interest start to slow. Mainly because it collides with having less time for choice (life gets busy, responsibilities increase) coupled with a decreased capacity for new experience.

I’ve also noticed TikTok has exposed me to a ton of new stuff.

So the TLDR; is, the time you have to discover on your own will become ever more limited. Your best bet to keep the party going is to find one or two low-effort, lean back discovery services and stick with them.

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Post by lesostep »

cesaref wrote: post #389

The useful metric with these sorts of things is to ask yourself, when was the last time you tried something that you didn't like? For expensive experiences, say, going to the theatre, it's hard to see shows you don't think you are going to like, as the price pressure makes you choose 'safe bets' as the cost/reward is somewhat weighted in one direction. For something like music, the above used to be the case, as typic…

>> We really need music search which follows more interesting routes through content rather than just 'people who like this also like' or 'here's another album by someone you already listen to'.

For me almost all of the music I discover is through the personal recommendations or AMVs (are they still called AMVs if they aren't anime related?) or video memes.

Finding new music is easier if people aren't penalized for using it in their own artistic pursuit. [[placeholder for a rant about current implementations of copyright laws being stuffling for artists. There are a lot of those out there, so pick any rant you are comfortable with]]

All artistic works categories should intertwine more, imo. But that's hard when we have one site for music, another for art, and another for video. Social networks like facebook or twitter almost solved it (although, I prefer to think that blogging platforms like tumblr or myspace solved it better). Common creatives is a very good license for this very reason (relatively easy artistic borrowing), and we should propagandize it more.

That's to say, many people have no good reason to engage with new anymore, having found the stuff that they like and other things they prefer doing. Which is cosmic, in my opinion. Not only they do what they like to do listening to the things they like, but also if everyone was always seeking out the newest thing, it would be a neck-breathing horse race between artists.

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Post by tasuki »

SllX wrote: post #360
pxc wrote: post #303

I expect it'll never happen to me. My dad was still actively seeking out new music when I was a kid, streaming college radio via the Internet before Pandora, Last.fm, or Spotify were things. He's in his 60s today and he still listens to new music (in a range of genres) all the time. If novelty in music is actually important to you, this won't happen to you.

I had the realization a few weeks ago that I no longer listen to very much from before 2016. I didn’t pay attention to how it happened, but less than 20% of what I have actively listened to in the past 3 years going by all these recap playlists is from before 2016 and I keep adding new music every year. Half of the music from before that cutoff point is basically music that was new to me in the last few years even th…

> 2020s are off to a great start on that front

Recommendations?

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Post by goosejuice »

iraqmtpizza wrote: post #562
goosejuice wrote: post #501

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Music only matters to the producer and the listener. It's deeply personal. I think you're missing the point.

This sounds like a parody of Western individualism

Why exactly do you care if music you enjoy listening to is also enjoyed by others? If you enjoy it and the musicians are making it what else is there?

Plenty of artists are just making art for themselves.

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Post by 1290cc »

Age 13-29, I mostly had oodles of free time to listen, explore music and a network of friends sharing their discoveries. Age 30-40, I got really busy and had more people involved in my professional and private life so it became harder to fit in music exploration (something I really enjoy). And less friends sharing their music.

I think streaming has a lot to do with this as my parents had a monthly record club they organized. A bunch of friends with their kids got together at someones home, made dinner, drank and listened to new music in the background.

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