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No, that is absolute bullshit. So so often, it is obviously the reckless cyclist's fault.
That's a US perspective you have a car-first culture. If you have a bike first infrastructure you wouldn't talk like that. Here Bikes and cars are often even on different roads, where they need to cross, it's made very clear how that will work (traffic lights, clear lanes).
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It’s unclear to me from the article who was turning, the cyclist or the car. I agree that whoever was turning is at fault.
As a cyclist and a driver I feel the one driving the killing machine is always at fault. Of course if the cyclist ran into the car that’s different but drivers need to be ultra careful. Period.
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I call bullshit on "unfit to walk along roadways". This is victim blaming from people who want to go fast, fast, fast. The one moving a ton of metal is the one to pay attention. And the US needs to build roadways actually usable by pedestrians.
Pay some fucking attention in traffic, even if you are on two feet instead of on wheels, for fuck's sake!
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#564Earlier quoted context omitted.
As a cyclist and a driver I feel the one driving the killing machine is always at fault. Of course if the cyclist ran into the car that’s different but drivers need to be ultra careful. Period.
Cyclists need to follow the rules. If a cyclist starts buffooning on the road and ends up in an accident I have no problem saying that they were looking for it.
Basically, in all cases the cyclist is going to come off first in any encounter with a car.
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I drive and bike. It's more annoying on a bike to come to a complete stop.
> I drive and bike. It's more annoying on a bike to come to a complete stop. That's a side effect of your choice, not an excuse to blow through stop signs.
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#566Earlier quoted context omitted.
As a cyclist and a driver I feel the one driving the killing machine is always at fault. Of course if the cyclist ran into the car that’s different but drivers need to be ultra careful. Period.
This attitude doesn't help when typically in a collision, the cyclist needs medical treatment. Traffic is a complex real-time action game where there are serious consequences if people make mistakes. So the best approach is to be predictable within the traffic rules. So for a cyclist, don't get in the path of a 'killing machine' when the car has priority and when the cyclist has priority look for clues that the car i…
Like no shit, I never said cyclists shouldn't obey the rules, but motorists should be held to a much higher standard from a legal perspective because of the insane amounts of damage that can be inflicted by jerking around on Instagram while driving, for example.
I've ridden around cities my whole life on bikes and you can obey all the rules you like, you're still completely vulnerable when it comes to dangerous, inattentive driving.
Cars, for the most part, really are a stupid idea, especially in cities.
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There is no public transportation that can bring me home after saying goodbye to friends at 1 AM in a big city and having to drive one hour to my home in a little town. There is no such public transportation even during the day unless I want to spend 2 to 3 hours on a mix of metro, train and bus. And I don't have many choices about the time to leave. You could say that it's flawed to live in the countryside and/or ha…
There isn’t in the US, dominated by urban design built for cars, but in many societies it’s entirely possible to have drinks until late and then safely get home via transit.
I doubt there are a lot of places where you're replacing that scenario with public transit.
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I can drive to work in twelve minutes. If I humor the premise of a bus that stops in front of my home and also my workplace, which is unlikely to ever exist no matter how much money is thrown at public transit, it would still take several times longer than driving myself because there are numerous other homes and businesses between which the bus would stop at. Using a bus would mean I have to wake up earlier, and the…
If you can drive in 12 minutes surely the walk itself isn't that long. Public transport is never going to be able to compete over a short distance. I used to commute 1.5 hours each way on the train from Wollongong to Sydney. The alternative drive takes the same or longer, depending on traffic. Hundreds and hundreds of people do this trip every day (and the equivalent from Newcastle). Another period of my life was liv…
I just checked this with google maps. In 12 minutes i can get 10 km from my house. That's a 2 hour walk.
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#569Children death rates largely attributed to vehicle related accidents [1]
Trucks/SUVs are also a large contributor to GHGs [2]. Anecdotally, the number of solo commuters I see in SUVs/trucks/“crossovers” is way too fucking high. Truck owners largely hauling air. Maybe see 1-2 trades people on the road.
US cities need to follow in the same footsteps as Paris. A ban of large personal vehicles in dense urban cities by making it expensive and as inconvenient as possible. High hourly parking rates. High penalties. Ear mark this money for purposes of removing car centric infrastructure and improving alternative transportation mechanisms.
[1] https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2201761
[2] https://www.theguardian.com/environment/ng-interactive/2019/...
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#570Earlier quoted context omitted.
This attitude doesn't help when typically in a collision, the cyclist needs medical treatment. Traffic is a complex real-time action game where there are serious consequences if people make mistakes. So the best approach is to be predictable within the traffic rules. So for a cyclist, don't get in the path of a 'killing machine' when the car has priority and when the cyclist has priority look for clues that the car i…
Traffic is a complex real-time action game where there are serious consequences if people make mistakes. So the best approach is to be predictable within the traffic rules. Like no shit, I never said cyclists shouldn't obey the rules, but motorists should be held to a much higher standard from a legal perspective because of the insane amounts of damage that can be inflicted by jerking around on Instagram while drivin…
> held to a much higher standard from a legal perspective
Get yourself a consistent worldview. Anything else is susceptible to the principle of explosion.