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Re: Gemini AI

#561

This is very cool and I am excited to try it out! But, according to the metrics, it barely edges out GPT-4 -- this mostly makes me _more_ impressed with GPT-4 which: - came out 9 months ago AND - had no direct competition to beat (you know Google wasn't going to release Gemini until it beat GPT-4) Looking forward to trying this out and then seeing OpenAI's answer

And GPT-4 finished training summer 2022 and OpenAI was sitting on it for like another 9 months

Re: Gemini AI

#562
post #60

One observation: Sundar's comments in the main video seem like he's trying to communicate "we've been doing this ai stuff since you (other AI companies) were little babies" - to me this comes off kind of badly, like it's trying too hard to emphasize how long they've been doing AI (which is a weird look when the currently publicly available SOTA model is made by OpenAI, not Google). A better look would simply be to sh…

They always do this, every time they get to mention AI. It appears somewhat desperate imo.

Re: Gemini AI

#563

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Didn't Google invent LLMs and didn't Google have an internal LLm with similar capabilities long before openai released the gpts? Remember when that guy got fired for making a claim it was conscious ? The look isn't good. But it's not dishonest.

No this is not correct. Arguably OpenAI invented LLMs with GPT3 and the preceding scaling laws paper. I worked on LAMDA, it came after GPT4 and was not as capable. Google did invent the transformer, but all the authors of the paper have left since.

Isn't a transformer an LLM?

Re: Gemini AI

#564
post #552

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's not wrong. DeepMind spends time solving big scientific / large-scale problems such as those in genetics, material science or weather forecasting, and Google has untouchable resources such as all the books they've scanned (and already won court cases about) They do make OpenAI look like kids in that regard. There is far more to technology than public facing goods/products. It's probably in part due to the cultura…

Oh it's good they working on important problems with their ai. Its just openai was working on my/our problems (or providing tools to do so) and that's why people are more excited about them. Not because of cultural differences. If you are more into weather forecasting, yeah it sure may be reasonable to prefer google more.

That’s what makes Altman a great leader. He understands marketing better than many of these giants. Google got caught being too big. Sure they will argue that AI mass release is a dangerous proposition, but Sam had to make a big splash otherwise he would be competing with incumbent marketing spendings far greater than OpenAI could afford.

It was a genius move to go public with a simple UI.

No matter how stunning the tech side is, if human interaction is not simple, the big stuff doesn’t even matter.

Re: Gemini AI

#566
Just an observation based on some people complaining that this isn't some significant advance over GPT-4 (even if it happens to actually be a small percentage gain over GPT-4 and not just gaming some benchmarks).

One thing I consider isn't just what the world will be like once we have a better GPT-4. I consider what the world will be like when we have 1 million GPT-4s. Right now how many do we have? 3 or 4 (OpenAI, Gemini, Claude, Pi). I think we'll have some strange unexpected effects once we have hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands and then millions of LLMs at this level of capability.

It's like the difference between vertical and horizontal scaling.

Re: Gemini AI

#567
post #310

This demo is nuts: https://youtu.be/UIZAiXYceBI?si=8ELqSinKHdlGlNpX

honestly - of all the AI hype demos and presentations recently - this is the first one that has really blown my mind. Something about the multimodal component of visual to audio just makes it feel realer. I would be VERY curious to see this live and in real time to see how similar it is to the video.

you haven't seen pika then.

Re: Gemini AI

#568
post #358

This demo is nuts: https://youtu.be/UIZAiXYceBI?si=8ELqSinKHdlGlNpX

Out of curiosity I fed ChatGPT 4 a few of the challenges through a photo (unclear if Gemini takes live video feed as input but GPT does not afaik) and it did pretty well. It was able to tell a duck was being drawn at an earlier stage before Gemini did. Like Gemini it was able to tell where the duck should go - to the left path to the swan. Because and I quote "because ducks and swans are both waterfowl, so the swan d…

Gemini made a mistake, when asked if the rubber duck floats, it says (after squeaking comment): "it is a rubber duck, it is made of a material which is less dense than water". Nope... rubber is not less dense (and yes, I checked after noticing, rubber duck is typically made of synthetic vinyl polymer plastic [1] with density of about 1.4 times the density of water, so duck floats because of air-filled cavity inside and not because of material it is made of). So it is correct conceptually, but misses details or cannot really reason based on its factual knowledge.

P.S. I wonder how these kind of flaws end up in promotions. Bard made a mistake about JWST, which at least is much more specific and is farther from common knowledge than this.

1. https://ducksinthewindow.com/rubber-duck-facts/

Re: Gemini AI

#569
Some people on codeforces (the competitive programming platform that this was tested on) are discussing the model: https://codeforces.com/blog/entry/123035

Seems like they don't believe that it solved the 3200 rated problem (https://codeforces.com/contest/1810/problem/G) w/o data leakage

For context, there are only around 20 humans above 3200 rating in the world. During the contest, there were only 21 successful submissions from 25k participants for that problem.

Re: Gemini AI

#570

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> show instead of tell They showed AlphaGo, they showed Transformers. Pretty good track record.

That was ages ago. In AI even a week feels like a whole year in other fields. And many/most of those researchers have fled to startups, so those startups also have a right to brag. But not too much - only immediate access to a model beating GPT4 is worth bragging today (cloud), or getting GPT3.5 quality from a model running on a phone (edge). So it's either free-private-gpt3.5 or cloud-better-than-gpt4v. Nothing else…

> That was ages ago.

I think that was the point.

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