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> My feeling is that Apple knows the regulatory winds are shifting very much against anticompetitive behavior, and their iMessage incompatibility was just looking like the blatant protectionism that it is. I think that point would be stronger if anyone else was open. Google used to run an open messaging service but shut it down as part of their failed attempt to compete with Facebook, and their current professed love…
> and their current professed love of open RCS hasn’t extended to allowing anyone else to use their implementation Google wanted the carriers to all host their own servers. They refused, so Google took it on. Agreed that there are going to be interop issues with Google's RCS implementation, but let's not place all the blame at Google's feet, here. > I think this is basically Apple calling their bluff and telling them…
The idea was for every carrier to be the gatekeeper of his subscribers, so no one was giving up anything and everyone wins. The strongest carriers in the working group rolled out their own servers in the initial stage of development, a total of five only IIRC. No one else followed because there was no visibility on return of investment.
At that time, major device vendors maintained their own SMS-app to navigate all the custom requirements of the carriers in the world. Google aimed to standardise the client and include all these carrier-specific customizations, but RCS was about to fragment this space even further, as every vendor was expected to integrate his own client.
Google then stepped in in 2015 by acquiring Jibe, a main supplier of RCS servers and the developer of a vendor-agnostic RCS-client. At this point only ONE carrier still considered to buy a own server.
Google continues maintaining the existing servers and also offers to host RCS as a service for carriers. Overall goal was to defragment both the server and the client area, as this was the only way to scale.
It's time for others to step in and balance the playing field again, Apple is the best candidate for that.
Despite the usual "I want Apple to be a walled garden" sentiment that is prevalent on HN, I'm glad that the EU, DoJ and all the various corporate lawsuits are finally forcing Apple to open up their ecosystem, even if it is still far from where it should be. The smartphone is now the primary personal computer for most of the planet, and deserves to be treated as such.
I would assume that if you buy an iPhone you are (at least nowadays) aware that you are not going to be side loading applications or getting a device with third party bloatware installed that you can’t remove without a level of technical skill. How is it that they can be forced to open up their ecosystem if nobody is forced to purchase their devices, and when there are so many alternatives available. Especially when…
That's why it being actual free market competition where consumers have a choice is the real test. If 100% of people on iOS want to stick exclusively with the Apple App Store, then it being forced open won't matter because all other stores will fail when no user installs them.
On the other hand, if users are willing to use those other stores, maybe iOS users don't actually care about using exclusively Apple's App Store. Then the only one who benefits from blocking that is Apple to charge their extra fees. Look at their reasoning for removing Fortnite from the store: because Epic added an additional payment processor that wasn't Apple. It's not like they removed Apple payment as an option either. So users had the benefit of more choices!
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> but the presence of a single Android user in an iMessage group chat can break the experience for everyone It is still such a laughable issue from the POV of any other country.. SMS is there for text-only, it’s a legacy tech that didn’t ever get popular in different places due to it having shit support for non-ascii letters (writing a single ü would almost halve the remaining chars I can write), and not having unlim…
> It’s a made-up issue. My biggest pet peeve is when people have an issue that doesn't affect them so they need to declare it as "fake". Just because you don't feel the problem doesn't mean "it's a made up issue". The following are simply facts: 1. In the US, among iPhone users, iMessage is by far the dominant messaging service. 2. Among certain socioeconomic groups in the US, iPhone is by far the dominant mobile pho…
I do experience the human aspect, and have 4-5 different chat programs installed, which is not ideal, but it is just simply can’t be expected that everyone uses the same stuff. I just remember to use Telegram with friends X, Y and Signal with W.
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> This is why I don't buy Google's bad faith shaming of Apple for not adopting RCS. But the point to me is that I don't care whether it's "bad faith" or not, just that (again, to me) it's actually the correct point of view. Messaging integration between iOS and Android, in the US at least, is not just fundamentally broken, but the presence of a single Android user in an iMessage group chat can break the experience fo…
> My feeling is that Apple knows the regulatory winds are shifting very much against anticompetitive behavior, and their iMessage incompatibility was just looking like the blatant protectionism that it is. I think that point would be stronger if anyone else was open. Google used to run an open messaging service but shut it down as part of their failed attempt to compete with Facebook, and their current professed love…
Nah gov doesn't give a shit they just see the incapable outcome and the rest of Apple's behavior.
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Hopefully vendors start putting better fallback into their messaging clients when RCS isn't available. It's been terrible for all the poor people I know who rarely have working data on their phones, but RCS enabled by default. They can't figure out why they're not sending or receiving any messages and I have to keep disabling it for them.
If you turn off RCS, Google Messages shows you a full screen prompt once a week to turn it back on. Indefinitely. And of course the prompt has a large blue button to enable, and a very small text underneath to dismiss, making it easy to accidentally enable it. It happened to me a few times already. It also tells you nothing about the downsides (that you need a data connection, mainly) that would make RCS unusable to…
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Unless they conspire in $20B/year search agreements.
Or conspire to cap engineer pay and get a slap on the wrist not equivalent to the money they saved, and then continued the collusion.
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Sure it was $10/line. iMessage was free once you had a smartphone plan. And no, smartphone plans didn’t automatically come with unlimited SMS. I had to “upgrade” for that.
>iMessage was free once you had a smartphone plan. Unless you went over your data limit.