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Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by daveoc64 »

s3p wrote: post #530
foggywin wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you read the blog post? :) "Raspberry Pi 5 consumes significantly less power, and runs significantly cooler, than Raspberry Pi 4 when running an identical workload. However, the much higher performance ceiling means that for the most intensive workloads, and in particular for pathological “power virus” workloads, peak power consumption increases to around 12W, versus 8W for Raspberry Pi 4."

Can you explain their decision to recommend a 27W power supply then?

The new board supports more power hungry IO. If you want to use all of the IO available and push the new SoC then you're going to need a beefier power supply.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by sapiogram »

adolph wrote: post #538
sapiogram wrote: post #500

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> If you must use average, then you should remove the top 5% from the average. 5% is too arbitrary, just use the median.

Given outliers in a skewed dataset, wouldn't median be a worse description than mean without outliers? https://openstax.org/books/statistics/pages/2-6-skewness-and...

The answer is always "it depends", which is exactly why I prefer the median in most cases. Once you choose to use the median, there are no more choices/degrees of freedom - it's just the median. On the other hand, "mean without outliers" requires you to make a subsequent value judgement on what exactly is an "outlier".

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by LeafItAlone »

tedivm wrote: post #554
teamonkey wrote: post #532

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Same as the people on Reddit claiming that Raspberry Pi has killed itself as a business because it's constantly in such high demand that it's always sold out.

They're claiming that they've killed themselves as a business hobbyists, which isn't exactly wrong. During their supply chain issues they made it clear they were prioritizing their commercial customers over the hobbyist market. At this point the hobbyist community has moved on to other things (shout out to odroids). I don't think raspberry pi is going anywhere, but they do have a very different market and customer ba…

> At this point the hobbyist community has moved on to other things (shout out to odroids). I don't think raspberry pi is going anywhere, but they do have a very different market and customer base than they did five years ago.

FWIW the communities I participate in are still RPI focused and I don’t think I’ve seen anyone using an odroid.

> Also as a company their social media people really are assholes, which doesn't help at all.

This is something I’m somehow unaware of (I avoid general social media); what do you mean?

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by cogman10 »

rasz wrote: post #514
Chatting wrote: post #377

I question whether it's wise to launch a new product before the supply chain issues which have plagued Raspberry Pi for years have been fully resolved. Granted, the situation has improved slightly over the past few months. But you will still find Pi 4s out of stock more often than not. The CEO said last year not to expect a Pi 5 in 2023, because they wanted to take the time to recover. Why the u-turn? https://www.the…

CEOs lie, thats in their job description. My little pi CEO anecdote: Eben Upton visited local hackerspace many years ago, someone asked about Pi2 (or maybe 3) potential release date and should he wait or buy now, Eben answered they arent even planning next version. A week later Pi2 was announced.

Meh, that's pretty standard practice due to the Osborn effect. [1] At the Pi1 phase, Rpi was a pretty small company. It wouldn't have been great for them if rumor got spread far and wide that Pi2 was on it's way in a week or two.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne_effect

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by ThatPlayer »

filleokus wrote: post #257

Hmm. I'm disappointed honestly, I was looking forward to USB-C with display port and "normal" USB-C power. Is there any reasonable option with software support that comes even close to what RPI offers? I don't want an SBC where I have to use some strange back ported, super old, kernel with little to no chance of getting updates. Maybe I should just go for an X86 board? Lattepanda Delta, or Khadas Mind whenever that's…

Pine64 makes SBCs with the same goal as their PinePhones to get mainline Linux on them. That effort expands to many boards that use the same SoC. So the rk3399 used in the PinePhone. Their newer board uses rk3588 which isn't completely mainlined yet. But I think these are the best bet for software support.

https://wiki.pine64.org/wiki/QuartzPro64_Development#Upstrea...

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by daveoc64 »

badtension wrote: post #330
preisschild wrote: post #326

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> I wonder if anyone here is using RPi as a main PC? Seems to be capable of most office work with a bit of multimedia on the side. My laptop is dying and I would love to get something stationary that is low-power by default yet good enough so that the internet wouldn't lag. Unfortunately, it is too slow to even smoothly power a desktop environment.

Thanks. This is a bit surprising to me since they advertise two 60 Hz 4K display drivers...

The Raspberry Pi 4 could do a single monitor at 4K/60Hz.

The overall performance still wasn't great.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by stiltzkin »

teamonkey wrote: post #532
impalallama wrote: post #516

Surprised by the amount of negativity here. So many comments that are saying the raspberry pi isn't competitive in their market anymore and then post more locked down less open systems at 2x the price.

Same as the people on Reddit claiming that Raspberry Pi has killed itself as a business because it's constantly in such high demand that it's always sold out.

Redditors learning resources are clickbait headlines and bot echo chambers.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by 15155 »

ltbarcly3 wrote: post #439
schappim wrote: post #427

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This would limit you to just connect SSDs. Their solution opens up more versatile access to other PCIe devices.

It would not limit you to just SSDs, the m.2 connector on the rk3588 devices generally exposes 4 pcie lanes and an adapter to make this a full pcie slot is already available. So really an m.2 nvme connector is the best of both, you can turn it into any other pcie connector you want via an adapter, but you can just put an nvme ssd directly on the board without a hat.

The best part about M.2 E key is that it does not require +12V.
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