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Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by jen729w »

rib3ye wrote: post #536
gnicholas wrote: post #391

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It's not a bug, it's a feature. People have done crazier things! Didn't Steve Jobs once say that part of the reason he named the company Apple was because it would be before Atari in the phone book? [1] 1: https://www.macworld.com/article/673923/why-is-apple-called-... ).

Not just in the phone books. Ever wonder why the stock ticker has two A’s?

If you’re picking stocks by order of the alphabet you deserve what you get.

Which, incidentally, was a tremendous return.

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by willtemperley »

aeyes wrote: post #288
chatmasta wrote: post #250

I wish Apple would separate the updates of their bundleware from their OS. Some of the major updates have meaningful changes to the underlying OS (gatekeeper, SIP, etc.), but others - like this one - are primarily changes to frills like Messages, Notes, Safari and other Apple-native apps that I don't even use. I have no problem with Apple bundling these apps and making them work seamlessly together, and I don't even…

You know what would be even better? If you could reliably uninstall all this junk or not even install it at all. Every time I hit some button on my keyboard and the Music app opens asking me to create an account I am reminded how hostile all commercial operating systems are.

Reliably removing the U2 album from Apple Music seems impossible. Deleting the album which has helpfully redownloaded itself is now a ritual before I start my car - otherwise it starts playing as soon as bluetooth connects - which is just what I need when I'm pulling away in busy traffic.

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by Nfthero »

chatmasta wrote: post #250

I wish Apple would separate the updates of their bundleware from their OS. Some of the major updates have meaningful changes to the underlying OS (gatekeeper, SIP, etc.), but others - like this one - are primarily changes to frills like Messages, Notes, Safari and other Apple-native apps that I don't even use. I have no problem with Apple bundling these apps and making them work seamlessly together, and I don't even…

As weird as it sounds this model makes it at least clear that you update your os regularly and it gets attention.

Microsoft has the issue that it's hard to sell why you would need to upgrade and not just update.

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by absrec »

replete wrote: post #547
ExoticPearTree wrote: post #543

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Wow, so much unwarranted hate. It's one download and you have everything updated. If you believe you do not need a new OS version for your laptop for whatever reason, you can always keep using Ventura or whatever you're running now and update that until it is end of support. I don't think you understand how helpful it is for "normal" users to push a button and have a brand new version of everything. And being afraid…

It is by no means irrational to hesitate on a new major release of an Apple operating system. MacOS upgrades have caused many people all kinds of issues, for instance a Big Sur update broke a metric fuckton of USB-C hubs and they didn't address it for 6 months.

I updated from High Sierra to Catalina and it broke a lot of things. Ultimately sold it in the used goods market and switched it for a new laptop. Installed Linux on it and haven't felt the need to go back to Mac since.

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by cormacrelf »

willtemperley wrote: post #562
aeyes wrote: post #288

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You know what would be even better? If you could reliably uninstall all this junk or not even install it at all. Every time I hit some button on my keyboard and the Music app opens asking me to create an account I am reminded how hostile all commercial operating systems are.

Reliably removing the U2 album from Apple Music seems impossible. Deleting the album which has helpfully redownloaded itself is now a ritual before I start my car - otherwise it starts playing as soon as bluetooth connects - which is just what I need when I'm pulling away in busy traffic.

“A a a a a very good song” to the rescue. https://music.apple.com/au/album/a-a-a-a-a-very-good-song-si...

Also available on iTunes for a dollar, search for Samir Mezrahi (the blessed soul who made this).

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by FridgeSeal »

cglong wrote: post #188

So it goes... Warning: You are using macOS 11. We (and Apple) do not provide support for this old version. It is expected behaviour that some formulae will fail to build in this old version. It is expected behaviour that Homebrew will be buggy and slow. Do not create any issues about this on Homebrew's GitHub repositories. Do not create any issues even if you think this message is unrelated. Any opened issues will be…

Out of date OS doesn’t receive support.

I for one, am shocked.

Maintainers of popular free, open source community tool are tired of being asked to support out of date OS.

Colour me even more surprised!

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by underdeserver »

tacker2000 wrote: post #497
cglong wrote: post #188

So it goes... Warning: You are using macOS 11. We (and Apple) do not provide support for this old version. It is expected behaviour that some formulae will fail to build in this old version. It is expected behaviour that Homebrew will be buggy and slow. Do not create any issues about this on Homebrew's GitHub repositories. Do not create any issues even if you think this message is unrelated. Any opened issues will be…

Yea the homebrew dev team is pretty user hostile tbh. The more you read their github, the more you realize how insufferable and arrogant they are. It leaves a very bad impression. Also, if you are not going along in the upgrade rabbit race, homebrew gets really annoying and actually in your way at some point. I see myself moving to macports soon, if brew gets worse and the stability of my setup is compromised (lots o…

How much is your support contract with them?

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by rawland »

dmt0 wrote: post #427
aeyes wrote: post #288

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You know what would be even better? If you could reliably uninstall all this junk or not even install it at all. Every time I hit some button on my keyboard and the Music app opens asking me to create an account I am reminded how hostile all commercial operating systems are.

You absolutely need this: https://github.com/tombonez/noTunes

One of the best comments in this thread. Thanks.

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by willtemperley »

cormacrelf wrote: post #565
willtemperley wrote: post #562

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Reliably removing the U2 album from Apple Music seems impossible. Deleting the album which has helpfully redownloaded itself is now a ritual before I start my car - otherwise it starts playing as soon as bluetooth connects - which is just what I need when I'm pulling away in busy traffic.

“A a a a a very good song” to the rescue. https://music.apple.com/au/album/a-a-a-a-a-very-good-song-si... Also available on iTunes for a dollar, search for Samir Mezrahi (the blessed soul who made this).

That's hilarious. Actually Apple support have just removed U2 permanently from my account. Feeling mildly victorious.

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by tacker2000 »

andy_ppp wrote: post #532
tacker2000 wrote: post #497

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Yea the homebrew dev team is pretty user hostile tbh. The more you read their github, the more you realize how insufferable and arrogant they are. It leaves a very bad impression. Also, if you are not going along in the upgrade rabbit race, homebrew gets really annoying and actually in your way at some point. I see myself moving to macports soon, if brew gets worse and the stability of my setup is compromised (lots o…

I always expect endless support from free products, built by the community, that I'm not paying for or contributing to.

Of course the devs dont need to support everyone and answer every feature request.

Its more nuanced than that.

As a dev, i like a stable environment and i dont like to do big updates all the time, since that means i have to spend hours updating my setup again. Everytime i run brew im scared it will hose my PHP versions, etc, since it auto updates everything.

To install old PHP versions one needs to hack the install files to make it work.

If you bring up any of these issues you are screamed down by the devs as “you should always be on the latest versions anyway bla bla”… but that is just not a realistic scenario in the real world. Legacy code is everywhere.

In the end brew is not really for pro users, but, as i said, maybe for people using it to install youtube-dl or whatever.

Once the pain of reinstalling and hacking it to make it work becomes too big then i will switch.

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