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Successful room temperature ambient-pressure magnetic levitation of LK-99

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Re: Successful room temperature ambient-pressure magnetic levitation of LK-99

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One somewhat ironic fact of this story is that the rogue former employee perhaps deserves some credit for bringing this thing out into the world. They had been working on this for quite a long time themselves, rightfully so. But now the whole world is working on it and exploring other methods and combinations of materials I would assume (to improve upon the original design and avoid any patents). How long would they…

A funny theory, especially since this good samaritan only prematurely published after his connection to the research was severed.

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> in today's world, where almost every aspect of life is subject to top-down control A bit of history would do you wonders. Top-down control was the norm*. If it has changed, it’s less now. * For 95% of the peasant/slave population

Top-down control was not the norm in the past. In fact, top-down control in the modern sense used to be impossible. Sure, there were lords who claimed large parts of the population as their property. But they often didn't even have a complete list of the people they supposedly "controlled", nor did they have any insight or actual control over their private lives in the sense that modern nation-states do. Legal codes…

I think that vastly underestimates the complete and total mental, religious and cultural control wielded by elites of the past and overestimates the impact and importance of superficial bureaucratic oversight indeed made possible by today's technology.

Whether we can build a large shed in our gardens is managed through a vast and intricate bureaucracy. A ridiculously precise and unwieldy apparatus is indeed watching our every move. I completely agree that is a new phenomenom, made possible by technology. I cannot just take down a tree without permission, even in my own yard. How weird is that. Yet does it matter?

Do you have to work the fields just because your family failed to produce a consul in the past century or two? Are you destined for a life of abject slavery because you disagreed with the regional governor about some administrative issue? Peoples of the past may have lacked technology, but that doesn't result in freedom. You don't need penal codes if your every move is watched and judged by your peers. Each of them happy to turn you in for a small fee.

More importantly, legal codes aren't necessary if you drop the pretence and just wield power however you want, whenever you want. You don't need detailed control of peasants' private hobbies if you got overpowering total dominion over the fate of an entire continent.

I'm just saying that oppression is nothing new and I actually think we are at an all-time low in actual, life-dominating oppressive powers. In some cases I can make the case that's actually not so great, because these days I'm increasingly more afraid of my fellow men than any "government" - which in my country is barely hanging on and always behind, but I don't know about the US.

Re: Successful room temperature ambient-pressure magnetic levitation of LK-99

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> a badly attached probe could also result in zero resistance for example No, a badly attached probe would usually show a larger resistance, not a smaller one. That's actually the easiest error to make, making improper contact with the sample. The resistance is measured indirectly using a reference current. So you'd measure a higher resistance or a break rather than zero if a probe were not attached correctly (unless…

> No, a badly attached probe would usually show a larger resistance, not a smaller one. if the area is small, couldn't it be "badly attached" directly to the other probe?

That could happen, but you'd have such a perfect zero across the whole temp range that I think any researcher worth their pay would spot the error.

Re: Successful room temperature ambient-pressure magnetic levitation of LK-99

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It would have been more convincing if you had given real past examples rather than speculative future ones :) Although I'm pretty sure there are plenty that many people can think of, so it doesn't really detract much from your point.

Auctions, sanitary towels, retirement, banking, disposable razor, sewing machine, canned food, interchangeable parts, antibiotics, solar cells, postage stamp, light bulb, pencil, air conditioning, insurance, dwarf wheat, spreadsheet, cold chain, double entry book-keeping, S-bend, infant formula, clocks, public key cryptography, passports, batteries, printing press, video games, GPS, contraceptive pill, shipping conta…

Passports were originally a temporary wartime measure. Not exactly something to celebrate

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1. Cure for aging 2. AGI exists and ends up being somehow, unexpectedly easy to control 3. Russia / China / North Korea eventually become democratic Some of the “good” black swans at the top of my mind…

I'm unsure if we want people living forever. While disease, illness, and senility are terrible things, as soon as people can live forever we will have eternal dictatorships (or people trying for it) as well as other questions of perpetual inequality. "Death renders all equal".

Also, people’s mind simply worsen as they age, and I don’t mean senility only. We are not made for living too long, and the elderly are already the most commonly targeted group for populist propaganda by political parties. Reflexes worsen, the past will become rose-tinted, etc.

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Can one know how many people are in that market? When prediction markets where mentioned early during the LK-99 story, I looked a bit around out of interest, which platforms exist, which topics they cover, how many people participate in that markets. Where I could find the number of predictors, it seemed pretty underwhelming - one, ten, fifty, a hundred, I think the highest I ever saw was a bit over a thousand, but e…

I wanted to bet 10$ or so, but the two links above both seem to be some sort of cryptocurrency thing. I dunno, isn’t there a way to gamble on the future that isn’t so… shifty?

My understanding is no due to US regulations and their stranglehold on the financial system.

Re: Successful room temperature ambient-pressure magnetic levitation of LK-99

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For those experiencing this type of "black swan, but good" event for the first time, it is helpful to recognize that the human tendency to believe that all future "big events" will be dystopian downers, is statistically unsound. For a while I've kept a list of the things that could be "good" swan events, but to be fair I didn't have "room temperature superconductor on that list" :-) Other things that could happen: 1)…

I think every technology is double edged, from the humble hammer all the way to atomic energy, you can always apply tools for good and for bad.

Re: Successful room temperature ambient-pressure magnetic levitation of LK-99

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I also hadn't heard about this for what it's worth.

It's one of the reasons people were thinking this might not be a fraud. Nobel prizes are capped to 3 people, and the speculation is that the rogue person published early to try and ensure they were one of the people that received it. No reason for infighting like that if you know it's a hoax.

> No reason for infighting like that if you know it's a hoax.

There was plenty of bitter infighting over credit during the 1989 cold fusion fiasco.

Knowing it's not a hoax does not mean it is true.

As always, only reproduction attempts matter.

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