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For the last 5 days I have been actively trying to cancel my Evernote personal plan. The site would break every time I navigated to manage my subscription or try and reach support. I guess that's one way to reduce customer churn.
I just canceled and it worked fine. Where are you getting stuck?
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Sticking to plain text is like living in a cave - possible, but unpleasant. Why would you remove all the formatting and integration niceties of modern tech? > Every device, including ones long gone, and ones not invented yet, can read and edit plain text. So what? Every relevant device can also read and write a bunch of more useful formats
I absolutely love plain text notes. Maybe you could understand that just because you think something is unpleasant and ancient, the rest of the entire human race might not agree? Shocking I know. I can't stand any formatting whatsoever on my notes. I love plain text because it stays exactly as that: plain text. I don't want my dashes to be turned into spacers, I don't want my asterisks to be turned into lists, etc...
My use of Evernote has been replaced with two apps a few years ago when they abandoned native apps: 1. https://obsidian.md/ for all the notes. 2. https://archivebox.io/ for almost all webpage clippings.
But Obsidian is Electron, right? Not a native app?
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I'm biased but I'd add-- - Obsidian: https://obsidian.md/ - Logseq: https://logseq.com/ - Reflect: https://reflect.app/ - Stashpad: https://stashpad.com/
I've been using Logseq for a few months and am loving it. Its model is pretty different from Evernote, and in ways I think are superior. The heart of is the daily journal, and you can tag each lump (which they call a block) with hashtags. You can also create pages, of course, but I find myself doing that less and less.
Logseq's killer feature, though, is the Anki plugin: https://github.com/debanjandhar12/logseq-anki-sync
... it's so easy to create and revise cards using this plugin, which is really important, as I almost never get a card's shape right for committing something to memory on the first try.
A couple caveats I'd mention:
* Logseq's sync system was really buggy for me during the time I used it. I stopped using it for a while, as the sync was the only way I could get E2E encryption and still have mobile access. With iOS advanced data security, I feel like iCloud sync gets me most of the way there. * They really need to invest in the editor experience. If I had something like a Bear or Typora experience within Logseq, I think I'd have my perfect tool.
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I'll look into it, thanks for the suggestion! The risk de-synchronization poses can probably be mitigated with automated local backups.
BTW, just a second vote for Syncthing, here. It's basically my "move data around" Swiss Army knife. Need to get my Keepass database on my phone? Syncthing. Need to back up my reMarkable to my NAS? Syncthing. Need to replicate game saves between my PC and my Steamdeck because the game doesn't support Steam Cloud Sync (I'm looking at you, Subnautica)? Syncthing. I run Paperless as a document management system and use G…
Does it run on those?
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On the other hand, it should be possible for software to be done. I have never used Evernote, but I am not sure how much innovation is required in the note-taking space.
Perhaps, but setting aside the philosophical point, Evernote was nowhere near "done". Their 'new' client software (Electron-based, of course) never even achieved feature parity with their 'legacy' client software. The mobile app wasn't exactly screamingly performant, to put it nicely. Really basic core use cases, like creating a note, typing in a title and some content, tagging it with a keyword, and saving it, requi…
And the limited depth of notebooks has always been just wrong, which is why I use hierarchical tags.
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I think it’s an example of trying to charge for things that are low value, and, more importantly, low cost. Storing text files in the cloud is super cheap. And having an app to easily edit those files is super cheap. It was free in the beginning because this is a “classic” software problem where it’s cheap to develop and close to $0 marginal dollars for a user. When Evernote started charging for dumb features and loc…
> I think Evernote’s problem is that it should have just stayed a 1-2 person company. They ramped up costs, then pushed up prices, and customers mehhed out. This is the problem with most VC funded startups. You have millions invested into an app that really is a glorified CRUD service that somehow ends up with a team of 500 engineers, and 3000 more employees. When it comes time to actually make a profit, these compan…
While I agree with the sentiment, it is worth noting that the 30% helps cover the delivery-person’s cut. Ideally, there should be a fixed cost courier charge, but that’s tangential to the point here.
I feel like Evernote is a prime example of the pains of trying to convert free users to paying users for the same features, something we see in many VC funded software from its era. Once you give something away, it's damn near impossible to take it back, even if you plead your case as honestly as Evernote did. Evernote was great. Honestly, it was worth paying for. But they gave away the farm too early, and folks feel…
Evernote when I used it a decade ago was great, but not irreplaceable.
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> This is the problem with most VC funded startups. At one level I shouldn't care. The VCs burn the money, the users make a bad choice to rely on something that will inevitably disappear when the profit-seeking crunch comes, not my problem. But it's unfortunately for all of us because all this human energy (from users, developers) that gets wasted over and over on doomed-to-fail proprietary solutions could be so much…
On the other hand they’re paying us handsomely to tilt at these particular windmills.
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I think it’s an example of trying to charge for things that are low value, and, more importantly, low cost. Storing text files in the cloud is super cheap. And having an app to easily edit those files is super cheap. It was free in the beginning because this is a “classic” software problem where it’s cheap to develop and close to $0 marginal dollars for a user. When Evernote started charging for dumb features and loc…
I agree that many of the features they were adding were useless (to me), but I disagree that you can encompass what they do with the description of storing and editing files. Their value was in the removing any concern a user might have about where a note is, both in terms of which device, and where on the device. There are a bunch of ways to sync and edit files, but I don't want to spend time or brain power on that,…
I see what you mean. But at the same time I do have the brainpower to simply remember to save my notes into the "notes" folder, which I then sync into some cloud storage.
Or even just use Google Keep. I'm fine pasting links, copying pictures, and jotting quick notes down. I didn't necessarily need inking support on my end. Condolances to those who did, as well as other features like audio and others I can't remember off the top of my head.