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Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023

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Post by danielmarkbruce »

alkonaut wrote: post #355
danielmarkbruce wrote: post #125

Half of it is the buying process.

worlds best selling car. Remember that the Tesla buying process is known as the "car buying process" since forever, outside the US, at least in the kind of countries where people buy expensive cars.

This is wrong. I grew up in Australia and the dealership model is the same there as the US. I don't know what countries specifically you are talking about, but the idea that you could easily buy a car online in the configuration you want for a standard price since forever is clearly wrong.

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Post by peoplefromibiza »

hiatus wrote: post #533
peoplefromibiza wrote: post #454

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> In a Tesla all you're really paying for is tyre rotation I change my tires every 20,000-25,000 kms for me it means every 3 years my car runs on LPG, which is half the price of gas Never ever done any particular kind of maintenance in over 10 years. You can buy 6-7 brand new "my cars" with the money spent on a Tesla. Yes, it's a cheap car, I chose it exactly because it's cheap and robust, I use it in a city, I park…

What car do you have that costs 1/7th the price of a tesla and has no maintenance required whatsoever (including oil changes)?

Suzuki Alto

You can buy it new for 7,300 euros taxes included in Italy.

Full optional.

I change oil more or less every 20,000 kms, which is more than two years driving for me.

I change it myself, I only need to buy the oil that costs about 20-25 euros for a full change.

Other than that, the car is basically maintenance free.

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Post by SideburnsOfDoom »

thevagrant wrote: post #496
SideburnsOfDoom wrote: post #446

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because you can see what's behind you? Via the camera, but that's just a detail. It's possible to get _better_ visibility from a camera than a mirror. e.g. good placement, adapting to low light.

I've had plenty of car cameras glitch out or stop working.

I said that it's possible to get better. Not inevitable.

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Post by colordrops »

xputer wrote: post #360
colordrops wrote: post #210

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Car dealers really have no leverage. You can walk out at any time up until signing the paperwork, and just go to another dealer.

Yes but their job is literally to manipulate you into buying a car then and there. They play all sorts of dirty tricks to get there.

For sure, so you just gotta be that tree that bends but doesn't break with the wind. Always keep a mental and emotional distance and be ready to walk at any moment.

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Post by avgDev »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #70
basisword wrote: post #5

I don’t get this to be honest. Had a couple of experiences as a passenger and now I actively avoid them (on Uber). The ride is absolutely awful. So rigid. Every bump on the road is felt, to the point I felt nauseated. They’re spacious, and maybe they’re nice to drive? But if I bought this without test driving it first, I would return it.

Tesla's have a BMW-like ride, with significant road feel. Drivers love it, passengers hate it. There's a reason that limo's use Mercedes', not BMW's.

Maybe a BMW from 1995. Current BMW are very well sorted while still offering great handling.

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Post by nluken »

xenadu02 wrote: post #12
basisword wrote: post #5

I don’t get this to be honest. Had a couple of experiences as a passenger and now I actively avoid them (on Uber). The ride is absolutely awful. So rigid. Every bump on the road is felt, to the point I felt nauseated. They’re spacious, and maybe they’re nice to drive? But if I bought this without test driving it first, I would return it.

Some people (like myself) prefer a sporty ride. They're really fun to drive. I own one and don't regret it. Obviously no car will appeal to everyone but clearly Tesla has a market despite the nay-sayers. edit: The purchase experience beats traditional car makers hands down. No high pressure sales tactics or scams like rust preventer. Nay-sayers also under-rate Tesla's mobile service. Go into the app, create a ticket,…

You're not going to get a sporty ride from a model Y. Or any SUV really, as much as Tesla, BMW, and every other luxury SUV maker would have you believe. These vehicles are simply too tall for that. It's a tradeoff for which you get practical benefits in return.

That said car enthusiast types were never Tesla's target market post-Roadster and they've excelled at building a product the public likes for other reasons as you've mentioned.

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Post by rurp »

justrealist wrote: post #108
andrewmcwatters wrote: post #91

For people buying new cars, yeah I guess I understand that being true. America prefers SUVs, but it's an interesting statistic. The Corolla is purchased by those who want an affordable sedan, as well as the affluent who don't want the unreliability of a German luxury car or a Tesla and are putting their money in other things like their home and marketable securities. The Ford F-150 is a vehicle used widely by commerc…

> don't want the unreliability of a German luxury car or a Tesla I truly beg you to talk to an actual Tesla owner to refine your opinions. EVs are practically 0-maintenance machines. Unless you need to change your tires... you just don't think about oil changes or motor belts breaking or engine filters clogging and all the other nonsense that breaks in an ICE car. If you hate Tesla that's a completely valid opinion,…

A relative of mine has owned a Tesla for about three years which has spent more time inoperable than all of the ice cars I have owned combined. Teslas break in all sorts of ways and it can take months to get parts.

Maybe EVs will be longer lasting and lower maintenence on average in the long run, but we won't really know until the average EV age catches up with ICE cars.

Tesla's in particular are inordinately dependent on a single company for parts and repairs. That increases the risk of being able to easily maintain an older car in the future.

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Post by soperj »

pengaru wrote: post #113
soperj wrote: post #96

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They're definitely not silent at 60.

Relatively speaking an EVs 3s 0-60 is ~silent compared to any ICE doing the same 0-60 time. That level of acceleration generally requires a pretty rowdy ICE with the taps wide open.

Honestly, as someone who bikes all the time, there's very little difference at 50km/h from the amount of sound coming from an EV vs an ICE.

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Post by llsf »

Phrodo_00 wrote: post #366
llsf wrote: post #267

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I am not sure to understand this dissonance... I owned a model 3 since April 2019, and also I had zero issue. The only time I went to the Tesla center it was to receive the car. It is so nice to not have to see a car dealer or gas station since April 2019. There is no way I could go back to another car. Even an EV, most of them are ICE cars with electric powertrain, with way too many buttons or dials, and no integrat…

Meanwhile, a coworker got a Model S and after 2 service visits ended up having to change his entire wiring harness. On a vehicle with less than 100 miles.

Okay then, our anecdotes then explain this dissonance.

I can understand that someone who had to bring twice his car feels like it is unreliable, and someone who never had to visit once nor feels like it is the most reliable car.

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