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Re: Google Pixel Fold

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Post by fomine3 »

epolanski wrote: post #136
soared wrote: post #17

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The most expensive iPhone is $1699, which is a 14 pro max with a whopping 1 TB of storage. With 128gb it’s only $1099. I agree, seems pretty aggressive.

Does the iphone doubles in size and lets you carry around a minitablet? If not it's a pointless comparison. A 1000$ iphone is closer to a 300$ pixel 6 than the pixel fold.

For pointful comparison, it's also important to consider that nowadays people pay $$$ for camera. For this perspective, Pixel Fold is closer to Pixel 6 than iPhone Pro.

Re: Google Pixel Fold

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Post by bebna »

manningthegoose wrote: post #9

I just don't understand who wants these foldable phones, especially at the $1799 price point. I guess a use case is wealthy frequent travelers who don't want a separate device with a larger screen to watch movies/videos on the go? Someone help me out here.

The new Sony 1 V will cost 1.4kEUR, not much less. Phones in general got expansive. (The Samsung Fold 4 is at 1.3 to 1.2kEUR)

Re: Google Pixel Fold

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Post by bebna »

mywacaday wrote: post #184
ianbutler wrote: post #117

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I'm never going back. I only type and respond to things unfolded, I have big hands and the split keyboard + bigger buttons are great. Outside of that I'm a fairly big reader and I enjoy reading both articles and books unfolded and have no interest in bringing a second device to do so. I also write notes with stylus on it which is practical unfolded. More real estate for video etc. And then I can just fold it and use…

I have a note 10+ and the stylus is a game changer, I would like a wider screen for taking notes but can't justify the cost. Also my note is nearly 4 years old and showing no sign of slowing down or battery issues.

Got a regular Note10, my battery is basically dying slowly. Yes, I used battery helper tools to regularly only charge to 80%...

Re: Google Pixel Fold

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Post by usrusr »

troyvit wrote: post #526
usrusr wrote: post #435

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You have it reversed: it's not "we want to make a foldable phone, how expensive does it need to be?", it's "we want to ask $1800 for phone, what could we offer to find buyers". The biggest problem in the market of exceptionally expensive phones is that they don't really look all that different from cheaper ones. Foldable phones solve that.

Yeah I think you're right. Phones have been pretty much the same since the first slab came out. I mean screen-size got bigger, DPI got higher, "stuff scrolls really smooth now!" These -- to me -- are just incremental changes to the same features from 2013 and aren't great motivators to drop the phone I have into the landfill and get a new one. It seems phone companies are casting about for a new gimmick.

Also true, but that's not what I meant: buyers not replacing the phone they have often enough is solved, battery decay and lack of updates. But there's not much that sets the $1000 replacement apart from the $300 replacement. A $1800 replacement? The market for a $1800 phone that is as obviously different from the rest as a foldable is many times bigger than the market for a $1800 phone that is just better somehow. My prediction is that unless some cheap newcomer brand shows up with a foldable, none of the established will ever make the first move and offer their foldable cheaper, no matter how low the actual cost might be.

Re: Google Pixel Fold

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Post by Wildgoose »

dsq wrote: post #548
Wildgoose wrote: post #431

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I have a Surface Duo phone. Using both screens together is like using a tablet, but it folds up and fits in my pocket. I can have the keyboard on one screen and have a full display on the other. I can look something up on one screen while using something else on the other screen. By comparison, the standard of "splitting" a single screen results in something that is often too small and awkward to use and with too lit…

What keyboard do tou use for text input?

Application dependent. Usually Microsoft Swiftkey, but Hacker's Keyboard when I am programming (or similar).

Re: Google Pixel Fold

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Post by tintedfireglass »

expertentipp wrote: post #406
IanCal wrote: post #389

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Also I think stops the camera scratching as much. Flush means the whole thing lies flat on the table, a lump means an edge of it is on the table but the bit on the lens isn't. Recessed would fix that but adds even more size.

> camera scratching Camera glass in Samsung and Chinese phones simply crack from laying them repeatedly on a flat surface. With iPhones one at least has to be unlucky and hit the camera with some rock.

that's because Apple, instead of using glass uses sapphire for its camera lenses.

Re: Google Pixel Fold

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Post by lcnPylGDnU4H9OF »

_heimdall wrote: post #477
MrOwnPut wrote: post #458

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It's more of a petty "joke" that leftists use because they don't have anything else. It's at the level of a modern SNL skit, all superficial and more of a "mean girl" insult on appearance than satire. GP was correct in saying "no one cares about that or if it is true." That's not the point, the point is to insult.

You realize the concept of cheap political jokes exists in all parties, right? Or is "let's go Brandon" not a cheap joke used by "rightists"?

Seeing the origin stories in this thread I'd actually argue that "let's go Brandon" is not really a cheap joke. (I guess, really, that it's at least not as cheap as "tiny hands".) The "tiny hands" joke exists for the sole purpose of making fun of a particular politician and the "let's go Brandon" joke at least speaks to a certain bias in presenting information. It seems a lot like a reporter "misheard" "Fuck Joe Biden" as "let's go Brandon" because the reporter didn't want to report that people were chanting "Fuck Joe Biden".

At a time when "rightists" commonly complain about media bias, this exact sort of bias happens. Then people use it as a dog-whistle for calling out media bias; it's not surprising. As with all polarizing issues, it's best for every individual to consider their own bias. I have found that I frequently don't give a person's opinion a fair shake because I've already concluded that I disagree. Generally, I only do that when I'm not interested in learning.

Anyway, they may both be cheap jokes but this seems a bit like a false equivalence or otherwise misunderstands the argument being made.

Re: Google Pixel Fold

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Post by Kirby64 »

jacquesm wrote: post #551
Kirby64 wrote: post #550

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You'd be surprised the peak current demand of modern smartphones. AVERAGE current demand (not peak) of a Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 can hit 16W for short periods of time. At 3V, that's 5+ amps out of the battery. Worse if you account for efficiency, and even worse if you account for other power draws such as camera, display, etc etc. Running at 3-4C for short bursts is not out of the question.

That I readily believe. But in a well designed system (designed for longevity) you'd never see such discharge currents in a sustained manner and even short bursts are better served by capacitors (charged at a lower constant current) close to the consumer than by batteries. And that's why you'll see voltage regulators and large banks of capacitors right next to the CPU (besides compensation for line losses and stabili…

Keep in mind, when I say 'short bursts', I mean on the time scale of seconds. No capacitor bank is going to be capable of supplying current for that long; especially not one put in a phone. In most cases, the restriction is inevitably heat based (how long can I run this before thermals cause me to need to throttle) and the power supply is pushed to be able to handle it.

EV batteries and e-bikes are a whole different animal than what is used in cell phone battery tech.

Also, is 2.0V bad for the battery? It's not great, but it's not Voc of 2.0V. It's Vsc, essentially. Which is a very different quantity.

Re: Google Pixel Fold

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Post by dzink »

rad_gruchalski wrote: post #153
kccqzy wrote: post #114

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The year is 2023. Who is still using an iPhone from 2013?

Not many people. But I'm using an iphone 8 from 2017 and it's still going strong. It was €800 when I purchased it. It probably has another 2 or 3 years in it.

I have not had a dead Apple device and I’ve been an Apple owner since 2007. Old phones/laptops are used for testing, entertainment or temp phone for the kids, given to relatives, used as travel devices, used by visiting family from abroad, etc. 2 have lost Wifi access due to damage and they can still be used as cameras or typewriters by family. It’s absolutely mind boggling to me that deliberate software expiration should ever be a reason to throw out a hardware device. Don’t ever tell me an organization that does that should be admired for quality engineering.
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